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Kevin Samuel's argument has the opposite effect on men like me. It feels too much like a puppet-on-a-string situation. There is a myriad of reasons to get married, advancing your slavish career shouldnt be anywhere near the top of the list:scust:.
I would rather sell gatorade and ice tea at the red light:hubie:
 

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I work in IT and even before COVID a 100% of my team is remote. We've never seen each other in person. I don't even know any of my co-workers family names.

I make over 6 figures and get rave reviews for my work. My marital status had no bearing on me getting this job at all. The only thing that matters is my skill level.

I work for a global company that's in over 100 countries. Maybe in these mom and pop shops people have time to chop it up like that. And meet your wife and kids at company functions. But for these global companies with workers spread out all over the globe you'll probably never meet these people face-to-face. Much less than them knowing all your personal business.

Most of you dudes have to kiss ass to get ahead. I've worked with a ton of people like that who only got promotions because of ass kissing. Ain't nothing wrong with that but for some us it's only about whether you can do the job or not. I've never become buddy buddy with any of my superiors. And it hasn't stopped my rise up the Corporate ladder one bit. Mainly because I job hop to get the job I want so there is no reason for me to play the game in order to get promoted.


That’s fair. None of the IT coworkers I’ve worked with over my career were really out there like that.
 

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Some of y’all have either never been in corporate or you’re just oblivious.

I work at a startup and 75% of the non work talk is about spouses or kids. If you’re not running your own business you better wake up.
Right,
if you work in any office environment , it’s spouse/kids talk

I have literally seen people question why a male(30+) coworker isn’t dating/married yet and not to his face...think about that

Hell, I’ve been asked when I’m getting married/who I’m dating and I’m still pretty young

Unfortunately a lot of black men still haven’t gotten the message about marriage and this thread is proof
 

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In corporate America, this is true. It has been shown in numerous studies that married men move up the ladder a lot quicker than unmarried men. But marriage has the opposite effect on women, whereas single women tend to be more successful in corporate America.
 

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Right,
if you work in any office environment , it’s spouse/kids talk

I have literally seen people question why a male(30+) coworker isn’t dating/married yet and not to his face...think about that

Hell, I’ve been asked when I’m getting married/who I’m dating and I’m still pretty young

Unfortunately a lot of black men still haven’t gotten the message about marriage and this thread is proof
This is going to stop work place discrimination one bit being married so its a moot point. Sure it might give people more to talk about around the water cooler. Since married people love to tell you everything about their lives. But in every Corporation there are winners and losers since you have a finite amount of really high paying jobs. Just as many married men are stuck at the bottom of the totem pole as single men if not more because they can't just up and leave for a better job.

But in the grand scheme of things I don't see how marriage would benefit a black man financially at all. If you said black men getting married would benefit society or black women that's more of an argument to make.
 

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I work in IT and even before COVID a 100% of my team is remote. We've never seen each other in person. I don't even know any of my co-workers family names.

I make over 6 figures and get rave reviews for my work. My marital status had no bearing on me getting this job at all. The only thing that matters is my skill level.

I work for a global company that's in over 100 countries. Maybe in these mom and pop shops people have time to chop it up like that. And meet your wife and kids at company functions. But for these global companies with workers spread out all over the globe you'll probably never meet these people face-to-face. Much less than them knowing all your personal business.

Most of you dudes have to kiss ass to get ahead. I've worked with a ton of people like that who only got promotions because of ass kissing. Ain't nothing wrong with that but for some us it's only about whether you can do the job or not. I've never become buddy buddy with any of my superiors. And it hasn't stopped my rise up the Corporate ladder one bit. Mainly because I job hop to get the job I want so there is no reason for me to play the game in order to get promoted.


IT is indicative of where things have been headed for a lot of work environments. Things are going to get a lot more impersonal as work gets done remotely, and moreso as AI takes more of a firm hold. Still, the pendulum always swings the other way. With the huge wave of unemployed that's coming, people will be reminded of what they've let themselves forget: there's no replacing face-to-face interactions, there's no energy like in-person energy, and there's no substitute for the human factor and actually being able to looking people in the eye and talk with them.

The ass-kissing is an unfortunately necessary byproduct of the important stuff. Ultimately nothing is more important, nothing more critical to long-term stability, than family.
 

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Where are you pulling your "realistic" scenario from? The vast majority of divorces has the man exiting the home with the wife and kids occupying the home.

How are assets equally divided when the man is sent packing while still having to make payments? The vast majority of black americans dont own two homes that can be divided equally.

It is ironic you talking about cac fairytales when women are being programmed by disney since childhood. You all get carried away with wedding fairytales, push for marriage and still be the first ones to initiate divorce.
A guy even if he's making 6 figures will drastically have to reduce his standard of living after getting divorced. Like you said the wife is probably gonna get keep the house if kids are involved.

He's now paying what amounts to a mortgage payment every month in child support. So that means he'll either be renting or buying a much smaller home meaning less equity. He can no longer afford to have kids with another woman and support two different households at the same time.

Women always disparage guys for not wanting to get married. Yet never say a word about women filing for 85% of divorces.

If marriage is so great why do y'all file for divorce at damn near 90%?
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IT is indicative of where things have been headed for a lot of work environments. Things are going to get a lot more impersonal as work gets done remotely, and moreso as AI takes more of a firm hold. Still, the pendulum always swings the other way. With the huge wave of unemployed that's coming, people will be reminded of what they've let themselves forget: there's no replacing face-to-face interactions, there's no energy like in-person energy, and there's no substitute for the human factor and actually being able to looking people in the eye and talk with them.

The ass-kissing is an unfortunately necessary byproduct of the important stuff. Ultimately nothing is more important, nothing more critical to long-term stability, than family.
There is no guarantee things will ever go back to the pre-covid days again. And you've seen first hand how people that tried forcing face-to-face interactions has just made the pandemic worse.

I quit my last job because they wanted me to be damn near 100% customer facing when it wasn't even necessary. This was before COVID really hit hard but I knew that kind of interaction wasn't the future so it was pointless in me doing it. And once COVID hit this place was still endangering workers by having them go onsite to customer locations. Or wanting to fast track everyone coming back into the office until a majority of employees balked at their decision.

These old school approaches of doing business we're often used to exclude minorities for certain jobs. Because everything was based on relationships so whites could only deal with each other to the exclusion of everyone else. So I'm glad this old school way of doing business is dying because its much harder to discriminate now with little face-to-face interaction.
 

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Just getting my foot in corporate I give zero fukks about moving up to higher levels if marriage is a mandate :mjlol:

You'd be better off making 60k a year that 120k but naw you have to have a wife and kids and all that added stress. Naw. We LTR or playboi status forever over here, and no kids either :yeshrug:

world too evil for me to inhabit with another lil me and most these women make horrid mothers. I'm gucci.
 

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I'm super cool with the ceo's wife. Like, 'invite us to the house for a weekend' cool.

My man is, no cap, best at the company, but he didn't hit management until i wowed a few ppl. He's anti social, so i do that work for him/ us. :ld:
I like y'alls relationship dynamics....you and ur man compliment each other.
 

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I get that u were being a good partner. But it’s sad Ur not seeing the bigger picture. The idea of having to “wow” people or make them like u by probably being overly nice, is troubling.

I guess people are different.

how about ur man be so damn good at his job they bend over backwards to make him happy? Your man is not the first antisocial man out there. They’re out there galore and they do great things.

the picture u just painted here is pitiful and the fact that u typed it up as something to be proud of is ridiculous. I hope they’re not white.
There are bad preformers, mediocre preformers and good/great performers. However, u will rarely get that bomb azz break thru preformer that's invaluable. Point is everyone is replaceable. People do need to like and trust u.
 

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I would say it depends on what career field u in. It definitely matters in politics. Lets look at Cory Booker. Him not being married does hurt his chances. Lets compare Stacy Abrams and Keisha Bottoms. Keisha is married with 4 kids and that's easier to market. Its just a good look plus u being able to raise a family and have a high profile job.

U also would be able to have more conversations with coworkers if y'all both married and/or have kids. U get more invites to social events.

People also see married men with families as very stable and mature. They see them with a lot to lose so they trust them more. Doesn't mean that those married men are actually good wholesome men. A good number cheat and do shady shyt. But its all about the image.
 

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Where are you pulling your "realistic" scenario from? The vast majority of divorces has the man exiting the home with the wife and kids occupying the home.

How are assets equally divided when the man is sent packing while still having to make payments? The vast majority of black americans dont own two homes that can be divided equally.

It is ironic you talking about cac fairytales when women are being programmed by disney since childhood. You all get carried away with wedding fairytales, push for marriage and still be the first ones to initiate divorce.
You can look up the stats yourself. They are easy to find and a better point of reference than using the stats of White couples which don’t apply to us.

As I said before, Black wives are the primary or co-breadwinner in the vast majority of Black couples so this scenario of a Black man losing everything he worked for all by himself is a statistical anomaly.

The primary caregiver(male or female) should retain the home for the sake of the children. Their lives shouldn’t be uprooted because of a divorce. All other assets and shared bank accounts should be split equally. In a case where the children are adults or you don’t have any, the house should be sold.

The primary caregiver should also receive child support because you still need to contribute equally to your child’s upbringing and wellbeing even when you no longer live with them.

Once again, why is the reality of White women being applied to the reality of Black women?

What fairytale about marriage where we sold when the vast majority of us grew up with single mothers? The expectation of marriage isn’t even there for Black women.

The Disney thing is stupid and made even dumber by the fact there is only one Black Disney Princess. We where sold the fairytale of White women having a happily ever after with White princes.
:mjlol:

It really depends on the reasons why a woman files divorce. Men are more likely to be physically abusive, cheat(or at least get caught), etc.
 
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