Kevin Durant Signs With The Golden State Warriors

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If you understand how it works, than why say this dumb shyt -

Explain how that's dumb?

Draymond averaged more assists this season. The addition of KD would take a nice amount of Steph's shots away, making it safe to assume he'd play a more traditional PG role and his assists would go up, however I still believe Dray would have more assists. And Steph would be closer to Ray Allen than he ever has been before. Standing in the corner waiting for Dray and KD to find him on kickout passes out of the post. Which would then make him known as a great spot up shooter and steal specialist, not an all around great player.
 
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Explain how that's dumb?

Draymond averaged more assists this season. The addition of KD would take a nice amount of Steph's shots away, making it safe to assume he'd play a more traditional PG role and his assists would go up, however I still believe Dray would have more assists. And Steph would be closer to Ray Allen than he ever has been before. Standing in the corner waiting for Dray and KD to find him on kickout passes out of the post. Which would then make him known as a great spot up shooter and steal specialist, not an all around great player.
I don't think you understand how the Warriors offense works breh. :manny:
 

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I don't think you understand how the Warriors offense works breh. :manny:

I do understand I offered an explanation of how it works without KD and how I believe it would work with KD. I don't think u understand how it works. If u do please explain and point out where u think I'm wrong in saying KD would become the primary scorer, Draymond would remain the primary option to run the offense through, and Steph would more or less become Ray Allen (very slight use of hyperbole), which isn't a bad thing, but it would be a serious blow to the Curry stans.
 
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I do understand I offered an explanation of how it works without KD and how I believe it would work with KD. I don't think u understand how it works. If u do please explain and point out where u think I'm wrong in saying KD would become the primary scorer, Draymond would remain the primary option to run the offense through, and Steph would more or less become Ray Allen (very slight use of hyperbole), which isn't a bad thing, but it would be a serious blow to the Curry stans.
Just because Draymond averages more assists doesn't mean he's 'the primary option that runs the offense' - that will always be Curry. This is why I know you don't understand how the Warriors offense works. Draymond is the go-between man to take advantage of the 4v3 matchups the Warriors get when teams overplay Curry either with the ball or without it. I especially don't understand how you can insinuate that Draymond might be more important to their offense, just because he averages more assists, and how you can insinuate that Durant will be more important to their offense because he might average more points.
 

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A part of me thinks this is all just charades and he just wants to be wined and dined...

But recently when big name free agent holds meetings they always leave...

Bron did it...left for miami...

LMA did it...left for Spurs...

The 1 and 1 deal makes so much sense...stay on a good team (not convinced they a championship team anymore unless the flip somebody for someone to replace ibaka because Erysan and Sabonis won't be good enough to do it this season)...and he gets to go into free agency with :stylin:...

So why do the whole song and dance this off season when you could have easily done it again next off season...unless you really thinking about leaving...

We might get "basketball reasons part 2" if he really does try to sign with GS or SA...him on those teams makes them virtually unbeatable unless somebody has an injury...he won't have any real responsibility on those teams other than shooting a ton of open looks...and be playing in real offenses for probably the first time in his career...and playing for two top notch coaching staffs...

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at him working with Chip Engelland...the GOAT shooting coach...look what this dude did with Kawhi...KD go to SA he gonna fukk around and shoot 65% from 3
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I can't see him going to GS cause he has what seems real open contempt for the warriors and steph...

I'd be happy to have him on SA...but disappointed in being deprived of Kawhi vs KD for the next few years...

But the spurs are obviously preparing max money for somebody with them bringing over some euro's who will make league minimum money...:jbhmm:

RC said he don't know if Murray will play in the summer league cause free agency could push his contract signing back :jbhmm:

As great as KD is I think I would like to have the combination of conley and batum as much as I would like to have KD by himself:jbhmm:
 

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KD should just go to Philly and then we'd just call him a loser who don't wanna win




Wolves thread still has some vacancies. Ask @Brozay. The view is breathtaking

That sounds like a shot at A.I. who is a beautiful human being.

:aicmon:

If KD went to Philly and led them to the finals I'd call him a warrior (no golden state) :laugh:

But if he goes to the team that HE choked away a finals appearance to, to play with a nikka that kicked his teammate in the ding ding, he's a cocksucker.

shyt would be like seeing Jordan in a Piston's uniform.
 
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Just because Draymond averages more assists doesn't mean he's 'the primary option that runs the offense' - that will always be Curry. This is why I know you don't understand how the Warriors offense works. Draymond is the go-between man to take advantage of the 4v3 matchups the Warriors get when teams overplay Curry either with the ball or without it. I especially don't understand how you can insinuate that Draymond might be more important to their offense, just because he averages more assists, and how you can insinuate that Durant will be more important to their offense because he might average more points.


I haven't said that Draymond or KD would be more important to their offense, yet. I said KD would become the primary scorer, which he absolutely would, he can score more effectively in many more ways than Curry can. I also said Draymond would remain the main guy to run their offense through. Steph has always been a shoot first PG, if I'm mistaken on that part I'd need to see statistics to prove it, cause a PG like Steph with such a high usage rate averaging less assists than Draymond tells me they initiate the offense through Draymond more than Curry, Curry can score much easier than Draymond so it makes sense to use Dray to initiate the offense while Curry plays off the ball trying to get open for a shot, mainly using illegal screens.

Nothing I've said indicates I don't understand the Warriors' style of play, and certainly nothing u've said indicates that u understand it better than me or exposed my supposed lack of understanding. I'd venture to say u actually understand their offense and NBA offensive schemes as a whole far less than I do.

And again just to clarify, before this post I never said KD or Draymond would be more important to their offense, though I do believe KD's presence would make Draymond more important to their offense as Steph's value would be lessened by KD's presence (hence why I said Curry would become a spot up shooter a la Ray Allen), where as Draymond's strengths aren't at odds with KD's at all, and I also do believe right out the gate KD would be more important to their offense than Steph. I think what Curry and Klay provide would be somewhat overshadowed by KD, and would eventually lead to Draymond being KD's #2 and Steph and Klay being 3a/3b. KD would still go for 25-30 a game, behind that ur next most important player is the energy guy who defends and grabs rebounds--Draymond, then you need your shooting specialists--Steph and Klay. They're not going to allow someone of KD's talent step in and not tailor their offense to him.
 

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will the warriors have durants bird rights if they sign him to a 2 year deal with the 2nd year as a player option, or would he have to take a 3 year deal with a player option?

i can't see why he would lock into a long term deal and sacrifice 8 mil per year
 
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I haven't said that Draymond or KD would be more important to their offense, yet..
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Need I remind you, you just posted this -
How would the Curry stans react to him becoming the 2nd best on his team? Maybe not even, KD would pass him in points, Dray would probably still get more assists. Steph would become a spot up shooter and steal specialist.
You specifically said he would be the 2nd best on the team/offense and you insinuated that Draymond would possibly be too, due to him getting more assists. You can't marginalize importance or impact through what box score #s players put up in a motion-based offense - especially one who controls the offense and warps defenses like Curry does.
I haven't said that Draymond or KD would be more important to their offense, yet. I said KD would become the primary scorer, which he absolutely would, he can score more effectively in many more ways than Curry can. I also said Draymond would remain the main guy to run their offense through. Steph has always been a shoot first PG, if I'm mistaken on that part I'd need to see statistics to prove it, cause a PG like Steph with such a high usage rate averaging less assists than Draymond tells me they initiate the offense through Draymond more than Curry.
Yeah you're absolutely clueless. This is why you should watch games instead of drawing conclusions from cherry-picked stats.
Curry can score much easier than Draymond so it makes sense to use Dray to initiate the offense while Curry plays off the ball trying to get open for a shot, mainly using illegal screens.
Oh you're one of those people.
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Nothing I've said indicates I don't understand the Warriors' style of play, and certainly nothing u've said indicates that u understand it better than me or exposed my supposed lack of understanding.
Just bout everything you stated indicates you don't understand how their offense works.
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I'd venture to say u actually understand their offense and NBA offensive schemes as a whole far less than I do.
Well you'd be wrong and then some.

:manny:
 

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Need I remind you, you just posted this -

You specifically said he would be the 2nd best on the team/offense and you insinuated that Draymond would possibly be too, due to him getting more assists. You can't marginalize importance or impact through what box score #s players put up in a motion-based offense - especially one who controls the offense and warps defenses like Curry does.

Yeah you're absolutely clueless. This is why you should watch games instead of drawing conclusions from cherry-picked stats.

Oh you're one of those people.

Just bout everything you stated indicates you don't understand how their offense works.

Well you'd be wrong and then some.

:manny:


You need to step ur reading comprehension wayyyyy up. Saying someone is better doesn't mean they're more important. It was a commonly held belief that Bosh was the most important person on the Heat, but he wasn't better than Bron or Wade. He provided a skill set they needed which neither of those players provided. Same way Draymond provides skills that Curry and Klay don't and never could, and the addition of KD would quite possibly make Draymond the 2nd most important person on that team behind KD. And me implying Draymond possibly being better than him was about KD minimizing Curry into a spot up shooter (that's what my next sentence was about), not just about Draymond getting more assists.

Also Draymond potentially being more important wouldn't just be due to more assists, but his hustle points/stats, rebounds, leadership, etc. Same thing that gave him a claim to being more important even this season. With KD on board, Steph would now only be the best 3pt/foul shooter and best stealer on the team. Best all around scorer-KD, best passer-Draymond (though with KD on board Steph could fully claim that), none of the other categories are even worth addressing cause Steph has no claim to them.

Initiating the offense doesn't mean who took the ball up, it's about who is the catalyst for the play being called. Draymond having more assists, plus his style of play insinuates they initiated the offense through him the most. When Steph has it he's more likely to shoot than to work to find a shot for a teammate, and when he doesn't have the ball he's working to get an open shot. When Draymond has it he's working to start a play that will help Steph or Klay find their best shot. The addition of KD could lead to Steph playing a more traditional PG role, I said that in a past post, but if it didn't Draymond would still be the catalyst of most of the plays run on offense.

You haven't made even 1 legitimate point. The Warriors' offense isn't some abstract concept that's difficult to understand, it's based around running, ball movement, getting in an extra pass or two to make sure they get the best shot--all of that would favor KD over Curry cause aside from Curry being a better 3pt shooter, KD has him in every other aspect of the game. Curry would become a spot up shooter at that point, probably still get 20-25 ppg though. You're telling me I don't understand their offense but I broken down much of what they do offensively, and you haven't said anything at all about their offense, except act like by criticising what I'm saying it means u understand their offense more.


How would u respond to Steph being the 2nd possibly 3rd best player on the team? Since u clearly took issue with that statement, but haven't provided any substance whatsoever. KD would be better and more important to the Warriors than Steph. Draymond would be more important, and quite possibly a better all around player, with KD overshadowing so much of what Steph does well. Dray would lead in rebounds, most likely assists, KD would lead in PTS, Steph would have steals. He'd be the new Ray Allen.

Whether I not I understood the Warriors offense, which I do, is irrelevant to what I said. And once again I do understand their offense, but you've yet to provide anything useful in this discussion, besides trying to discredit what I've said and you've only done that by claiming I don't understand their offense. Which I've described how they play and u haven't said anything about their style of play. Please enlighten me.
 
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You need to step ur reading comprehension wayyyyy up. Saying someone is better doesn't mean they're more important. It was a commonly held belief that Bosh was the most important person on the Heat, but he wasn't better than Bron or Wade. He provided a skill set they needed which neither of those players provided. Same way Draymond provides skills that Curry and Klay don't and never could, and the addition of KD would quite possibly make Draymond the 2nd most important person on that team behind KD. And me implying Draymond possibly being better than him was about KD minimizing Curry into a spot up shooter (that's what my next sentence was about), not just about Draymond getting more assists.
:dwillhuh:

None of this makes any sense whatsoever. Like none. Especially since Curry has more playmaking ability than Draymond does. You're absolutely clueless.
Also Draymond potentially being more important wouldn't just be due to more assists, but his hustle points/stats, rebounds, leadership, etc.
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With KD on board, Steph would now only be the best 3pt/foul shooter and best stealer on the team. Best all around scorer-KD, best passer-Draymond (though with KD on board Steph could fully claim that), none of the other categories are even worth addressing cause Steph has no claim to them.
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That is not how it works. Not to mention Draymond isn't a better passer than Curry.
Initiating the offense doesn't mean who took the ball up, it's about who is the catalyst for the play being called. Draymond having more assists, plus his style of play insinuates they initiated the offense through him the most.
And that's Curry - not Draymond. If we're breaking this down to who runs the offense and who has the most input in the team generating points - it's Curry. Getting more assists doesn't mean shyt in a motion-based offense with triangle principles. You have to look at where the root of the points are generated; you have to look at secondary assists (Curry led the league this season with 2.5 per game); you have to look at the initial pass or pass-off-screen opens up the floor for players like Draymond and Iggy to get assists (by playing 4v3 and finding the open man) when players like Curry drag help defenders in with the ball in-hand; you have to look at the defensive attention on each ball-handler etc etc.

Even if we were to mitigate this to assists per game on who initiates the Warriors offense it would still favor Curry -

Curry - 6.7 assists and 2.5 seondary assists = 9.2 FGs directly generated
Draymond - 7.4 assists and 1.5 secondary assists = 8.9 FGs directly generated

If the Warriors ran an ISO-heavy/standard PnR offense we wouldn't even be having this discussion because Curry would be averaging 8-9 assists a game like he did under Jackson.
You haven't made even 1 legitimate point. The Warriors' offense isn't some abstract concept that's difficult to understand, it's based around running, ball movement, getting in an extra pass or two to make sure they get the best shot--all of that would favor KD over Curry cause aside from Curry being a better 3pt shooter, KD has him in every other aspect of the game.
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Have you conveniently forgot about running the offense, handling the ball, driving, dribbling/splitting double teams and traps, and passing? Curry would still be the best at all these areas by a considerable margin.
Curry would become a spot up shooter at that point, probably still get 20-25 ppg though.
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You're telling me I don't understand their offense but I broken down much of what they do offensively, and you haven't said anything at all about their offense, except act like by criticising what I'm saying it means u understand their offense more.
You didn't break down shyt. You seem to understand the basics, but not the players' roles nor what impact/influence they have.
How would u respond to Steph being the 2nd possibly 3rd best player on the team? Since u clearly took issue with that statement, but haven't provided any substance whatsoever. KD would be better and more important to the Warriors than Steph. Draymond would be more important, and quite possibly a better all around player, with KD overshadowing so much of what Steph does well. Dray would lead in rebounds, most likely assists, KD would lead in PTS, Steph would have steals. He'd be the new Ray Allen.
I have issue with you resorting to using the box score as a scale for a player being better and/or of more importance. The game doesn't work like that and the Warriors offense most certainly doesn't work like that.

Steph would be the new Ray Allen? :dead:
 
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