Kenny Smith | "LeBron is in my top 10 BUT he’s 10th...Kobe is not top 10" :scust:

[Flex Luger]

Everyone i listed has achievements.

When you play in an era if longer playoff series playoff pts, dont care weight historically. Its an empty stat.

Longivity in and of itaelf means nothing. Ask Kevin Willis.

When Kobe was robin to Shaqs Batman the team went where shaq took it. Also kobe and his selfishness caused the loss to the pistons and shaq leaving

Kobe did notbing when he didnt have other superstars, period. Wilt took his team of scrubs against the celtics every year, big o disnt have a relliable number 2 but took his swuad against the kinga of the west, the lakers all the time, dr j competed against the celtics, bird took a team that was aged and old to the finals his first year, magic did the same, jordan took a team that was notbing into the playoffs

Kobe with his team was getting put out the first round and had him calling stephen a and begging to be traded. Thats Kobe Bryant the player.

Dwade comes to miami takes a young squad to the 2nd round, elevates the franchise. KD makes the thuder a playoff threat and leads them to the finals and makes them a cintender. Hell Harden comes to a lifeless Roxkets and makes them championship xontenders. Lebron drafted in the cavs and makes them championship contenders. Kobe by himself never did that.

D. Rob, Hakeem, TD, they made their teams better and contenders with thwir play and pressence.

Kobe never did that, hell AI did that as well.

More trash posting from a trash ass poster.

 

[prophecypro]

Top 5-12 player range I think.
I think hes in the range with Shaq, Duncan, Oscar Hakeem as guys you have to include in a top 10 but by process of adding, one or two might just miss the cut and be top 11 or 12
Still a GOAT

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Everyone i listed has achievements.

When you play in an era if longer playoff series playoff pts, dont care weight historically. Its an empty stat.

Longivity in and of itaelf means nothing. Ask Kevin Willis.

When Kobe was robin to Shaqs Batman the team went where shaq took it. Also kobe and his selfishness caused the loss to the pistons and shaq leaving

Kobe did notbing when he didnt have other superstars, period. Wilt took his team of scrubs against the celtics every year, big o disnt have a relliable number 2 but took his swuad against the kinga of the west, the lakers all the time, dr j competed against the celtics, bird took a team that was aged and old to the finals his first year, magic did the same, jordan took a team that was notbing into the playoffs

Kobe with his team was getting put out the first round and had him calling stephen a and begging to be traded. Thats Kobe Bryant the player.

Dwade comes to miami takes a young squad to the 2nd round, elevates the franchise. KD makes the thuder a playoff threat and leads them to the finals and makes them a cintender. Hell Harden comes to a lifeless Roxkets and makes them championship xontenders. Lebron drafted in the cavs and makes them championship contenders. Kobe by himself never did that.

D. Rob, Hakeem, TD, they made their teams better and contenders with thwir play and pressence.

Kobe never did that, hell AI did that as well.

1. What other superstar did Kobe have when he went to 3 straight finals in 2008-2010(2 of the 3 against a Big 3)? Pau Gasol was a all star...and that was it. Who else?? Nikka is you stupid??

2. Nobody denies Shaq was the best player?? Don’t goalpost move cause that wasn’t the point. Shaq has had issues with every star he has ever played with including Penny. Your point?? Yes he performed badly in 2006. Lebron did in 2011 as well. Wade in 2014. So did magic johnson(tragic Johnson) Your point?

4. Yes Kobe with a team just as bad if not worst than Lebron cavs in a stacked western conference, got put out the playoffs to a superior Suns team. The same suns team they spanked when the playing field was even. Again your point?

5. Wade...in a weaker East, shooting close to 100 free throws in a series, something that hasn’t been done before or still after 15 years later. Again,. Your point??

6. Kobe is 4-2 against time Duncan in post season performances. “Oh but Shaq” yea... is that why Kobe sparked them in 08 with his second leading scorer, Pau, averaging 14 ppg DROB better than beans???bro what??

7. So Kobe needed a better team to win?? Is that what you telling me?? Who would of guessed? the second he got a 2x all star in Pau(with whom you nikkas was acting like is Shaq jr) and better squad, he went to 3 straight finals you kidding yourself or something???

 

[The God Poster]

Kobe isnt too 10, hell he isnt top 25

Now I see why @NYC Rebel be hoeing you

 

[Flex Luger]

1. What other superstar did Kobe have when he went to 3 straight finals in 2008-2010(2 of the 3 against a Big 3)? Pau Gasol was a all star...and that was it. Who else?? Nikka is you stupid??

2. Nobody denies Shaq was the best player?? Don’t goalpost move cause that wasn’t the point. Shaq has had issues with every star he has ever played with including Penny. Your point?? Yes he performed badly in 2006. Lebron did in 2011 as well. Wade in 2014. So did magic johnson(tragic Johnson) Your point?

4. Yes Kobe with a team just as bad if not worst than Lebron cavs in a stacked western conference, got put out the playoffs to a superior Suns team. The same suns team they spanked when the playing field was even. Again your point?

5. Wade...in a weaker East, shooting close to 100 free throws in a series, something that hasn’t been done before or still after 15 years later. Again,. Your point??

6. Kobe is 4-2 against time Duncan in post season performances. “Oh but Shaq” yea... is that why Kobe sparked them in 08 with his second leading scorer, Pau, averaging 14 ppg DROB better than beans???bro what??

7. So Kobe needed a better team to win?? Is that what you telling me?? Who would of guessed? the second he got a 2x all star in Pau(with whom you nikkas was acting like is Shaq jr) and better squad, he went to 3 straight finals you kidding yourself or something???

Lol wasting your time responding to that dude breh

 

[murksiderock]

Remember you said Bron could objectively be argued as goat and this is obviously not the case. I didn’t minimize Lebron’s playoff dominance, I just dont see this 6-9 160lbs unstoppable force that y’all see. No matter what stats or “what if’s” gets thrown out in these convos. Bron is top 5 ever for sure but that goat ship has sailed.

Maybe the GOAT ship has sailed, ain't nothing wrong with that. I think it's odd that cats can't acknowledge his dominance though, but whatever...

I didn't respond to you for no reason

You made a post that sounded like you get your information from stats instead of film so I corrected you

You specifically mentioned LeBron and kareem, I responded to LeBron since I've seen his entire career

Bron is in my top 10 fyi

Nah I worded that wrong, I didn't mean to say you quoted me for no reason, I meant @Field Marshall Bradley was quoting you for no reason, to make a point about not seeing Kobe as Top 10, which I do think he's Top 10. You dapped that bullshyt he wrote though lol...

I don't base my opinions on stats, their careers overlapped for 13 years and their primes overlapped for about 9, so I got to watch them both in real time as it was unfolding. I only use stats to support an opinion I formulated without them, the same way guys use scoring stats to support arguments for other guys...

Even if you favor Kobe over LeBron you gotta admit its asinine to say LeBron never had a year like '06. I mean come on bruh, that shyt is way outta bounds...we all watched them both play and we can favor either for whatever reason we want, but saying '06 Kobe, a year he lost in the 1st Round while giving up a 3-1 lead and quitting on his team, saying LeBron never had a year that great is ridiculous. Even if we keep it to regular season, it's ridiculous, LeBron isn't a score-first guy and he's matched all of Kobe's scoring feats besides the 81, and matched them all on more efficient shooting...

I ain't tripping that you favor Kobe, but that "LeBron never had a year like this" is crazy g lol...

 

[FlyRy]

Kobe has become very underrated

If he had retired after, say, 2012, he would be ranked higher

His last few years of limping around and missing shots left people with a distorted image

I disagree with this because stans and casuals like to bring up 60 points in his last game every chance they get

 

[murksiderock]

Everyone i listed has achievements.

When you play in an era if longer playoff series playoff pts, dont care weight historically. Its an empty stat.

Longivity in and of itaelf means nothing. Ask Kevin Willis.

When Kobe was robin to Shaqs Batman the team went where shaq took it. Also kobe and his selfishness caused the loss to the pistons and shaq leaving

Kobe did notbing when he didnt have other superstars, period. Wilt took his team of scrubs against the celtics every year, big o disnt have a relliable number 2 but took his swuad against the kinga of the west, the lakers all the time, dr j competed against the celtics, bird took a team that was aged and old to the finals his first year, magic did the same, jordan took a team that was notbing into the playoffs

Kobe with his team was getting put out the first round and had him calling stephen a and begging to be traded. Thats Kobe Bryant the player.

Dwade comes to miami takes a young squad to the 2nd round, elevates the franchise. KD makes the thuder a playoff threat and leads them to the finals and makes them a cintender. Hell Harden comes to a lifeless Roxkets and makes them championship xontenders. Lebron drafted in the cavs and makes them championship contenders. Kobe by himself never did that.

D. Rob, Hakeem, TD, they made their teams better and contenders with thwir play and pressence.

Kobe never did that, hell AI did that as well.

I disagree with most of this but salute for standing your ground, a few of your points are disagreeable but they aren't all crazy...

2. Nobody denies Shaq was the best player??

4. Yes Kobe with a team just as bad if not worst than Lebron cavs in a stacked western conference

5. Wade...in a weaker East, shooting close to 100 free throws in a series, something that hasn’t been done before or still after 15 years later. Again,. Your point??

6. Kobe is 4-2 against time Duncan in post season performances.

2. Don't do that, you nikkas always on here acting like Kobe was the best player during the 3peat lol...

4. The '06 West had two 60-win teams and the 54-win Suns, it wasn't stacked with three teams over 50. The West had much stronger years and '06 is one of the most balanced years in memory. The Suns were the better team but nobody gets a pass for losing a 3-1 lead, because if you were good enough to get that lead you're good enough to close it out, particularly given the manner in which he helped them lose the series...but we not gonna sit here and act like Phx was unbeatable in '06, that was a winnable series...

5. Def agree making any case for Wade is shaky, he's the beneficiary of favorable circumstances more than damn near anybody...

6. 1-0 without Shaq. Kobe did his thing vs the Spurs but they had no one to check him with. I just think this has to be mentioned when Kobe and Duncan are compared, Duncan had his hands full and met the challenge of defending Shaq better than anyone at the time, so it ain't like they met and they were the only superstars on their rosters...

Given where Bean was in his development those other 5 series look a lot different if there was no Shaq and only Kobe...

 

[Damnshow]

These garbage hot takes on who's in who's top 10 are not amusing anymore. shyt is outdated, they better come up with something more interesting.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

I disagree with most of this but salute for standing your ground, a few of your points are disagreeable but they aren't all crazy...



2. Don't do that, you nikkas always on here acting like Kobe was the best player during the 3peat lol...

4. The '06 West had two 60-win teams and the 54-win Suns, it wasn't stacked with three teams over 50. The West had much stronger years and '06 is one of the most balanced years in memory. The Suns were the better team but nobody gets a pass for losing a 3-1 lead, because if you were good enough to get that lead you're good enough to close it out, particularly given the manner in which he helped them lose the series...but we not gonna sit here and act like Phx was unbeatable in '06, that was a winnable series...

5. Def agree making any case for Wade is shaky, he's the beneficiary of favorable circumstances more than damn near anybody...

6. 1-0 without Shaq. Kobe did his thing vs the Spurs but they had no one to check him with. I just think this has to be mentioned when Kobe and Duncan are compared, Duncan had his hands full and met the challenge of defending Shaq better than anyone at the time, so it ain't like they met and they were the only superstars on their rosters...

Given where Bean was in his development those other 5 series look a lot different if there was no Shaq and only Kobe...

1. Who’s “you nikkas” though? Kobe be Lebron was definitely a debate during that time. I personally choose Kobe but Idc if someone says Lebron.

2. Most those western teams above the Lakers were 10x better than them. If you replace the cavs with the Lakers. Do you think the Cavs beat those Suns? Better yet do they beat those Spurs?? Obviously not. No Kobe doesn’t get a pass, but then again I never said that though. Never did I say they were unbeatable. You agreed with my main point on that subject though.

3. Yes if there was no Shaq, what Kobe would have been... a debate but we all know Shaq was the main catalyst for those first 3 rings. I will never deny that

 

[David_TheMan]

1. What other superstar did Kobe have when he went to 3 straight finals in 2008-2010(2 of the 3 against a Big 3)? Pau Gasol was a all star...and that was it. Who else?? Nikka is you stupid??

2. Nobody denies Shaq was the best player?? Don’t goalpost move cause that wasn’t the point. Shaq has had issues with every star he has ever played with including Penny. Your point?? Yes he performed badly in 2006. Lebron did in 2011 as well. Wade in 2014. So did magic johnson(tragic Johnson) Your point?

4. Yes Kobe with a team just as bad if not worst than Lebron cavs in a stacked western conference, got put out the playoffs to a superior Suns team. The same suns team they spanked when the playing field was even. Again your point?

5. Wade...in a weaker East, shooting close to 100 free throws in a series, something that hasn’t been done before or still after 15 years later. Again,. Your point??

6. Kobe is 4-2 against time Duncan in post season performances. “Oh but Shaq” yea... is that why Kobe sparked them in 08 with his second leading scorer, Pau, averaging 14 ppg DROB better than beans???bro what??

7. So Kobe needed a better team to win?? Is that what you telling me?? Who would of guessed? the second he got a 2x all star in Pau(with whom you nikkas was acting like is Shaq jr) and better squad, he went to 3 straight finals you kidding yourself or something???

1) kobe had to have a deep squad with an all star in Pau to become relevant. Funny hiw people acting like Odom, Bynum, and Artest wasnt deep now. Smh

2) i didnt say you denied anything. Rrad and reapond to what i wrote.

3) making more excuses for kobe not elevating his team when he was by himself, melo was elevating his swuad in the west, kobe couldnt? Stop it, you kobe folks eant all the praise and cant accept the realitg, he never was able as a player to adjust his play to make the team better if he dosnt have anyone else

4) gonna forget about kobe out right quitting that series though right, 3 shota in the aecond hald in a game 7 on some ego shyt. Right?

5) wade did it save the excuses for people who are looking for it.

6) the lakers have that record vs the spurs, nit kobe vs td. Smh. On top of that yes D Rob to me and TD are better players rankes higher than Kibe because ob top of the individual accolades they made their teams better with theor presence. They were team elevators not team cancers.

7) kobe couldnt elevate his tram nates as a player. Teams when championships, thats why i dont elevate individual players based on titles

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

1) kobe had to have a deep squad with an all star in Pau to become relevant. Funny hiw people acting like Odom, Bynum, and Artest wasnt deep now. Smh

2) i didnt say you denied anything. Rrad and reapond to what i wrote.

3) making more excuses for kobe not elevating his team when he was by himself, melo was elevating his swuad in the west, kobe couldnt? Stop it, you kobe folks eant all the praise and cant accept the realitg, he never was able as a player to adjust his play to make the team better if he dosnt have anyone else

4) gonna forget about kobe out right quitting that series though right, 3 shota in the aecond hald in a game 7 on some ego shyt. Right?

5) wade did it save the excuses for people who are looking for it.

6) the lakers have that record vs the spurs, nit kobe vs td. Smh. On top of that yes D Rob to me and TD are better players rankes higher than Kibe because ob top of the individual accolades they made their teams better with theor presence. They were team elevators not team cancers.

7) kobe couldnt elevate his tram nates as a player. Teams when championships, thats why i dont elevate individual players based on titles

1. Did I not just say a “good team” stop moving the goal post. You said superstars. What fukking superstars nikka? NAME THEM especially aganist Paul Pierce and KG with Ray Allen, the same Celtics that ran Lebron out of Cleveland and onto his own Big 3 in MIA(Lebron admitted the big 3 HEATLES was to challenge the Celtics)?? We criticize Kobe for having a good team now?


2. Melo had a better team in Denver that 2004-2005 season Nikka are you fukking Stupid? And that year he averaged 19 on 42%’ and got kicked out of the first round in 5 games. The lakers beat those nuggets later on, again, are you stupid or trolling?

3. Who forgot Kobe in 06? Nikka we all remember. Who forgot Bron in 11? Oh wait, all those folks claiming he’s the GOAT. That’s right

4. How you gonna excuse me of making excuses. Then proceed to make excuses? Yes wade did it, with 100 free throws

5.

6. Kobe elevated his team to 2 rings out of 3 post SHAQ. The same amount of rings as Hakeem(you mentioned him)

you are a joke

 

[Houston911]

1. What other superstar did Kobe have when he went to 3 straight finals in 2008-2010(2 of the 3 against a Big 3)? Pau Gasol was a all star...and that was it. Who else?? Nikka is you stupid??

2. Nobody denies Shaq was the best player?? Don’t goalpost move cause that wasn’t the point. Shaq has had issues with every star he has ever played with including Penny. Your point?? Yes he performed badly in 2006. Lebron did in 2011 as well. Wade in 2014. So did magic johnson(tragic Johnson) Your point?

4. Yes Kobe with a team just as bad if not worst than Lebron cavs in a stacked western conference, got put out the playoffs to a superior Suns team. The same suns team they spanked when the playing field was even. Again your point?

5. Wade...in a weaker East, shooting close to 100 free throws in a series, something that hasn’t been done before or still after 15 years later. Again,. Your point??

6. Kobe is 4-2 against time Duncan in post season performances. “Oh but Shaq” yea... is that why Kobe sparked them in 08 with his second leading scorer, Pau, averaging 14 ppg DROB better than beans???bro what??

7. So Kobe needed a better team to win?? Is that what you telling me?? Who would of guessed? the second he got a 2x all star in Pau(with whom you nikkas was acting like is Shaq jr) and better squad, he went to 3 straight finals you kidding yourself or something???

he was a 1 time all star actually

 

[Killer Instinct]

I think his case as Top 10 is more than agreeable, though I wouldn't think it's crazy if he's at 11 or 12--->it is crazy if he's after 12 at this point...

His case as Top 5 is not even close to airtight; when I'm using "too many guys" in my coming statement, "too many" just means more than 5. I don't think I have to spell it out for you specifically, as I already said I think he's Top 10 so how many guys can I be talking about, but for other guys reading this....

Too many guys had higher peaks; too many guys were Day One phenoms; too many guys won more as the best player on a team; too many guys were more dominant in both the postseason and The Finals; too many guys are more decorated (accolades and awards); too many guys just had a higher gear of domination; etc...

Again these exercises you split hairs on. Kobe was all of those things but he wasn't amongst the most dominant players ever even at his very best, he certainly doesn't have the most compelling postseason resume, etc. I've said for years people misconstrue his popularity and global appeal....he has a place and it's a unique one and he's clearly amongst the greatest players ever. Top 5 is a hard sell when you evaluate him the same way you evaluate everybody else...



I disagree with this completely. He's become more overrated, first there was the initial bump he got in retirement, which brought about a mass rewriting of certain aspects of his career, then he got the bump after death. No one disputes that he's a pantheon great, absolutely no one. No one also talks about his last 3 years somehow killing his reputation, that argument gets repeated on here and comes straight outta Stanville because not once has there been a shred of evidence that people view his last few years as a negative for him...

He's rated properly anywhere in that 7-12 window. Second greatest two guard. You can argue that if he isn't in a Top 10 he's being slightly underrated, and certainly if he's outside 12-15 hes being criminally underrated, but this works both ways...

He's being slightly overrated if he's brushing the Top 5 and he's being massively, massively overrated if he's any higher than that...if we're evaluating him (and everyone else) on shyt that actually matters instead of the shyt that doesn't that people around here love talking about...

This nikka always comes through with a novel in any Kobe related topic to remind you about why he shouldn't be as revered by you as much as he is. The sassy ass passive aggressiveness isn't as remotely masked by the feign of objectivity as you think it is. Salute to the heads who can just come out and say with their chest that Kobe really bothered them on a personal level. The p*ssyfooting you do on the other hand is so fukking corny.

 

[Pop123]

TNT has the W.O.A.T. panel of analysts with Barkley, Shaq, and Kenny Smith they really carried by personality.

But we supposed to take ex players word as gospel

He's right kind of. Lebron is great, I'd have him closer to 5 than 10, but there have been better ball players, imo, a few of em. Kobe is making my top 10 too. I say he's right in the sense that people tend to place these 2 a little too high on the "Best ever" lists.