Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly | (Discussion Thread) *Stream*

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The bar has been lowered. Classic albums have always been considered as such by the general public and critics alike. It's not just about the numbers, it is about impact and respect from heads. While Drake may not have a classic album he is undoubtedly an important figure in hip hop. Just being popular was never enough. No one considered what Nelly and Ja did to be classic. People can bump your shyt without thinking you're at the top of the game (people do think Drake is at the top though...there's a difference). Like I said, GKMC will probably go down as a classic album but I think it is because people dropped their standards. Months after the album dropped and I made people go song by song and then I gave a comparison track and people always admitted that the song on GKMC was not the same caliber as the other track. So I was like, if all of these songs from these different albums are comparable and this shyt isn't, then what makes this classic?

Who in rap in the next 5 years do you think has the best potential to release a classic?
 

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WASHINGTON/LOS ANGELES – The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) today announced the integration of streams to its historic Gold & Platinum (G&P) Program, the industry’s premier award for recognizing artistic achievement in the marketplace. On-demand audio and/or video song streams will now be counted towards the 500,000 (Gold), 1,000,000 (Platinum) and 2,000,000 plus (multi-Platinum) thresholds required for G&P’s Digital Single Award certification.

56 titles, encompassing songs from dozens of music labels and spanning many musical genres, are included in the inaugural certifications for the newly expanded Digital Single Award. Specifically, the RIAA is awarding 11 Gold, 18 Platinum and 27 multi-Platinum new “combined” Digital Single Awards counting both downloads and streams. This includes streams from on-demand services like MOG, Muve Music, Rdio, Rhapsody, Slacker, Spotify, Xbox Music and others, plus video streaming services like MTV.com, VEVO, Yahoo! Music, YouTube and more.

“Including music streaming in Gold & Platinum awards marks the continued evolution of the industry’s premier program for recognizing artistic achievement, and it reflects the wide spectrum of ways consumers enjoy music from their favorite bands,” said Cary Sherman, Chairman & CEO, RIAA. “The music business, along with its incredible array of digital service partners, is offering fans more access to music than ever before. We’re thrilled that our awards will now more fully recognize artists’ commercial success today.”

With the launch of the new program, RIAA today is awarding the following artists/songs with new certifications: 30 Seconds To Mars/"This Is War," Adele/"Rolling in the Deep, "Aerosmith/"I Don't Want To Miss A Thing," Andy Grammer/"Keep Your Head Up," Anna Kendrick/"Cups," Avril Lavigne/"Smile," Ca$h Out/"Cashin' Out," Carly Rae Jepsen/"Call Me Maybe," Carrie Underwood/"Before He Cheats," Cher Lloyd/"Oath," Don Omar/"Danza Kuduro," Drake/"Started from The Bottom," Emeli Sandé/"Next To Me," Eminem/"Love The Way You Lie," Frank Ocean/"Thinkin Bout You," Gym Class Heroes feat. Ryan Tedder/"The Fighter," Imagine Dragons/"Radioactive," J. Cole/"Workout," Jake Owen/"Alone With You" and "Barefoot Blue Jean Night," Jason Derulo/"Watcha Say" and "Ridin' Solo," Josh Turner/"Why Don't We Just Dance," Journey/"Don't Stop Believin,'" Juanes/"La Camisa Negra," Justin Bieber/"Baby," Justin Timberlake/"Suit & Tie," Kansas/"Dust In The Wind," Kanye West/"Stronger," Kelly Clarkson/"Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You)," Kelly Rowland/"Motivation," Kendrick Lamar/"Poetic Justice," Kenny Chesney/"The Boys Of Fall," Lady Gaga/"Bad Romance," Lana Del Rey/"Video Games," LMFAO/"Sexy And I Know It," M83/"Midnight City," Michael Jackson/"Billie Jean," Of Monsters And Men/"Little Talks," Olly Murs/"Troublemaker," One Direction/"Little Things," P!nk feat. Nate Ruess/"Just Give Me A Reason," Pitbull feat. Christina Aguilera/"Feel This Moment," Rihanna/"We Found Love," Robin Thicke/"Lost Without U," Selena Gomez & The Scene/"Love You Like A Love Song," The Black Keys/"Lonely Boy," The Fray/ "Over My Head (Cable Car)," The Script/"The Man Who Can't Be Moved," The Weeknd/"Wicked Games," Toby Keith/"Beers Ago," Train/"Drive By," Usher/"Scream," Whitney Houston/"I Will Always Love You," Will.i.am/"Scream & Shout" and Wisin & Yandel/"Follow The Leader."

http://www.riaa.com/newsitem.php?co...ter=5&id=03662575-C88F-51CF-779C-8396A2B8D74D

No,you're wrong. See drake songs really were on hit,coming out whips and in clubs. Kendrick was many levels below drake,but they're pretending he's neck and neck with him. Big difference

By your very definition either Jeezy, Gucci or Ross got it on lock [esp. in the south] because that's all you were hearing at a time. You like to go by youtube views... honestly go tell me that Jeezy "Trap or Die" wasn't that popular nor a classic because it doesn't even have 1mil views. Yet tell me that Gucci Mane having like 25mil views for Lemonade made that his most popular song in the club or whip to play. Pop wise...sure...but club and in the whip...hell nah.
 

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http://www.riaa.com/newsitem.php?co...ter=5&id=03662575-C88F-51CF-779C-8396A2B8D74D



By your very definition either Jeezy, Gucci or Ross got it on lock [esp. in the south] because that's all you were hearing at a time. You like to go by youtube views... honestly go tell me that Jeezy "Trap or Die" wasn't that popular nor a classic because it doesn't even have 1mil views. Yet tell me that Gucci Mane having like 25mil views for Lemonade made that his most popular song in the club or whip to play. Pop wise...sure...but club and in the whip...hell nah.
nikka trap or die came out 10 years ago,wtf. This shyt you're trying ot do is apples and oranges. ANd you're comparing a mixtape to a commercially marketed album. GTFOH.
I'm comparing kendrick to nikkas playing in the same game ,at the same time as kendrick
 

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http://www.riaa.com/newsitem.php?co...ter=5&id=03662575-C88F-51CF-779C-8396A2B8D74D



By your very definition either Jeezy, Gucci or Ross got it on lock [esp. in the south] because that's all you were hearing at a time. You like to go by youtube views... honestly go tell me that Jeezy "Trap or Die" wasn't that popular nor a classic because it doesn't even have 1mil views. Yet tell me that Gucci Mane having like 25mil views for Lemonade made that his most popular song in the club or whip to play. Pop wise...sure...but club and in the whip...hell nah.
Did i overlook what the new certifications were?
Wouldnt this new development help my argument,being that there's other artists like drake whom kendrick is supposedly on the same level as,that stream waaaaaaaaaaay more than him?
 
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Good lord this thread got pathetic. I like kendrick a lot but the dikkwagging in here makes me want to log off and never come back - both the stans and the haters.
It's like people can't just listen to music any more :snoop:
 

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The bar has been lowered. Classic albums have always been considered as such by the general public and critics alike. It's not just about the numbers, it is about impact and respect from heads. While Drake may not have a classic album he is undoubtedly an important figure in hip hop. Just being popular was never enough. No one considered what Nelly and Ja did to be classic. People can bump your shyt without thinking you're at the top of the game (people do think Drake is at the top though...there's a difference). Like I said, GKMC will probably go down as a classic album but I think it is because people dropped their standards. Months after the album dropped and I made people go song by song and then I gave a comparison track and people always admitted that the song on GKMC was not the same caliber as the other track. So I was like, if all of these songs from these different albums are comparable and this shyt isn't, then what makes this classic?
So that's what I'm saying. You're just picking what you want to be a classic. I don't even like drake but he would be considered a legend with multiple classics by your criteria. He has numbers. He has the backing of "heads", damn near everybody in the rap game gives him props or wants a feature, he's made an impact in the culture.

Kendrick doesn't have the hits drake does but he gets the same respect or arguably more from "heads" being that now he has even older musicians like prince and George Clinton talking him up. His album went plat. He sells out shows worldwide. Atleast half of the current generation that is into hip hop thinks he is the best rapper, and his album is one of the most widely accepted and celebrated in recent hip hop history. He threw an album without a cover, title or track list and it jumped to number one on iTunes off pre orders.

You and your peers not feeling the album has no bearing on its place in history other than your own personal history of what the classics are.

What was the last classic hip hop album?
 

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Y'all really arguing with this old ass nikka :mjlol:

who claims himself a street nikka. fukk his opinion on ANYTHING pertaining to music. nikka bytches about Plant accounts in here but he spends ever second he can on here just to tell us how much Kendrick isn't popping in the streets.

nikka we don't give a fukk. Music is music, you either fukk with it or you dont. Obviously you dont, as apparent from you keep repeating yourself in every fukking Kendrick Lamar related thread. For a artist you don't like so much, you devote alot of attention to him. I'm started to get suspicious
 

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So that's what I'm saying. You're just picking what you want to be a classic. I don't even like drake but he would be considered a legend with multiple classics by your criteria. He has numbers. He has the backing of "heads", damn near everybody in the rap game gives him props or wants a feature, he's made an impact in the culture.

Kendrick doesn't have the hits drake does but he gets the same respect or arguably more from "heads" being that now he has even older musicians like prince and George Clinton talking him up. His album went plat. He sells out shows worldwide. Atleast half of the current generation that is into hip hop thinks he is the best rapper, and his album is one of the most widely accepted and celebrated in recent hip hop history. He threw an album without a cover, title or track list and it jumped to number one on iTunes off pre orders.

You and your peers not feeling the album has no bearing on its place in history other than your own personal history of what the classics are.

What was the last classic hip hop album?
Me personally,i'd never call an album a classic or dismiss it from being one based off if I like it or not.
I'm going to base it off performance.
And how i see people react to it. Rather it's my everyday places or places i venture to.
I dont know how old you are. But being old enough to watch classics happen organically,it's easy to know when IT'S NOT HAPPENING LIKE THAT.
When 50 rose to power,you couldnt go anywhere without hearing wanksta,in da club,pimp,many men,21 questions etc,even the non singles like blodd hound and heat

Kdot shyt was nothing like that,i've literally heard people bumping rich homie quan and young thug more than him and by a large margin.
Take a look at Nelly Country Grammar.
I dont think that's a classic quality wise but it definitely is a commercial classic off impact alone.
WHen that was popping,E.I,country grammar and ride with me were huge,people were bumping heavy.
Back in the days people didnt even come out there mouth calling albums classic soon as they dropped,for the most part. People would say this nad that were dope and later on someone might bring it up and say that if its impact was that great.
nikkas acting like kdot having a classic is a birth right and automatic just cause it's him but he really aint popping like that at all.
If a nikka drops a true world recognized classic,it will be reflected in nearly every possible aspect. Kendrick is lacking
 

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Good lord this thread got pathetic. I like kendrick a lot but the dikkwagging in here makes me want to log off and never come back - both the stans and the haters.
It's like people can't just listen to music any more :snoop:
And it's just the album announcement with no cover or tracklisting. Imagine when the album leaks.:lupe:
 

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fukk these opinions yall nikkas got Ive been eating well these past couple of months drizzy,Cole,wayne,sean,and now kendrick it's so good to not be a hater :blessed:
 

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Me personally,i'd never call an album a classic or dismiss it from being one based off if I like it or not.
I'm going to base it off performance.
And how i see people react to it. Rather it's my everyday places or places i venture to.
I dont know how old you are. But being old enough to watch classics happen organically,it's easy to know when IT'S NOT HAPPENING LIKE THAT.
When 50 rose to power,you couldnt go anywhere without hearing wanksta,in da club,pimp,many men,21 questions etc,even the non singles like blodd hound and heat

True story. I was in college when Get Rich came out. If you even looked like 50 you got p*ssy, lol. I was dating a girl at the time who thought he was the finest thing walking.

Wanksta had New York going berserk. And when "In Da Club" came out, it was game over.

edit: You know what's funny when I think about it? Despite hearing Get Rich or Die Tryin EVERYWHERE, nobody around my way called it a classic. They just said it was a dope ass album.

Back in the days people didnt even come out there mouth calling albums classic soon as they dropped,for the most part. People would say this nad that were dope and later on someone might bring it up and say that if its impact was that great.

Another true story. Even though I've been listening to rap since the late 90s, I didn't hear Illmatic in full till 2003. (I really thought It Was Written was Nas's first album when I heard it in '98) In 03, my boy gave me Illmatic and said, "yo check it out. You might like it. It's a great album. It's really street." That's it. I heard it, and some tracks blew my mind. I kept listening to it, and within a couple months, I realized just how superb the album was.

There was no "yo this is classic. You have to like this album or you don't know hip hop blah blah blah"

Classics speak for themselves. If you have to cram a classic down my throat and keep telling me it's classic, chances are it's not.
 
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Good lord this thread got pathetic. I like kendrick a lot but the dikkwagging in here makes me want to log off and never come back - both the stans and the haters.
It's like people can't just listen to music any more :snoop:

The Booth is terrible for things like this. There is literally no such thing as middle ground.
 

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The bar has been lowered. Classic albums have always been considered as such by the general public and critics alike. It's not just about the numbers, it is about impact and respect from heads. While Drake may not have a classic album he is undoubtedly an important figure in hip hop. Just being popular was never enough. No one considered what Nelly and Ja did to be classic. People can bump your shyt without thinking you're at the top of the game (people do think Drake is at the top though...there's a difference). Like I said, GKMC will probably go down as a classic album but I think it is because people dropped their standards. Months after the album dropped and I made people go song by song and then I gave a comparison track and people always admitted that the song on GKMC was not the same caliber as the other track. So I was like, if all of these songs from these different albums are comparable and this shyt isn't, then what makes this classic?
meh. albums like gkmc and mbdtf have the universal acclaim, and objectively speaking, I can't think of a single bad song on these albums. Would even say that these albums are better than A LOT OF classics from the 90s. It's not manufactured, its just that it's impossible to give a bad score to these albums, specially if you're a professional critic because you have to put your bias aside. (personal tastes and all that stuff)

i'd even go as far as to say that gkmc and mbdf are both better than a lot of my favorite albums... yeah, I can make the differenc ebetween "what I htink is good" and "what I enjoy listnening to"
 
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