Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly | (Discussion Thread) *Stream*

[NoHalfWay]

Music has evolved. its easier to compare albums from the same decade. Not because its better or worse than the albums from the 90s, but because the music is different. We don't even use the same frequencies in the mixing anymore

They're still comparable. Especially Kendrick's album with classic West Coast records

If we gotta rate albums like MBDTF & GKMC with current albums then we gotta grade them with a curve cuz of how much mainstream rap has been lacking the last 4-5 years.

9/10 albums be sounding like GOAT albums in a sea of mediocrity and scarce talent.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

at the same time, gkmc is the most acclaimed album of the decade (2010-2019) after mbdtf & channel orange.

albums like gkmc and mbdtf will always be talked about as far as critical acclaim go

and considering the fact that his new songs are even more acclaimed than his last project

By who though? It was never hot on the streets.
We can say that,but i aside from these troll haven forums i dont see the acclaim
I've heard more people bumping and bigging up
Teflon don
My krazy life
Take care
Young og
etc
I've heard people bumping and bigging up mixtapes like
Rich forever
Soul tapes 2 & 3
etc

 

[MostHatedBox]

By who though? It was never hot on the streets.
We can say that,but i aside from these troll haven forums i dont see the acclaim
I've heard more people bumping and bigging up
Teflon don
My krazy life
Take care
Young og
etc
I've heard people bumping and bigging up mixtapes like
Rich forever
Soul tapes 2 & 3
etc

Damn near everybody! Megacritic gave it a 91/100 only hip hop album that's done better this decade was MBDTF which got a 94. But you really would call My Krazy Life a classic before GKMC?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Damn near everybody! Megacritic gave it a 91/100 only hip hop album that's done better this decade was MBDTF which got a 94. But you really would call My Krazy Life a classic before GKMC?

yea,it definitely impacted regular people more

 

[MostHatedBox]

yea,it definitely impacted regular people more

It was good album don't get me wrong but there was definitely no song on there as powerful as Sing About Me/ Dying of Thirst. It depended too heavily on the features and production. And I don't understand how it impacted regular people more? Or what that even means

 

[Hyperion]

And the coli A&R's are predicting a flop.

That's just the high sodium in their blood... bless their souls.

that's incorrect, artists were still being asked about Control months after the verse and it's also the same verse that has half the industry rooting against Kendrick.

Right. You think if he hadn't written the verse, he'd be considered Public Enemy #1 by people in the industry? The same guy who's album was critically acclaimed not even a year prior? But the industry is fake, so either they'll continue to hate when the album drops, or start to love him again. I'm sure they do it to everyone, ask Drake.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

It was good album don't get me wrong but there was definitely no song on there as powerful as Sing About Me/ Dying of Thirst. It depended too heavily on the features and production. And I don't understand how it impacted regular people more? Or what that even means

Means I heard it being bumped more at various places and have people in real life ask me about it.
None of the singles went plat,while YG has a plat and double plat single.
When numbers dont match,i peep game.
There's a shytload of albums that dont sell well but the singles do well.
Kdot is the only one this doesnt apply to. I wonder why.
His album sales reflect a super star,but all his other numbers dont reflect that. Hmm
Still hasnt done a big tour in his own right,doesnt have alot of likes on facebook (in comparison to other current platinum album artists)
Doesnt have alot of twitter followers in comparison to others with similar album sales
And his singles dont sell like other current plat artists. Hmm
Now one could say "GKMC is a critically acclaimed album and people bypassed the singles but still copped the album bla bla bla"
SO lets take another critically acclaimed album from recent years MBDTF.
This album allegedly sold a lil less than kendrick but he has 2 platinum singles and a triple plat single for that album.
shyt aint matching up

 

[wire28]

its getting old people trying to dismiss GKMC because of the watered down talent. Jordan playing with a bunch of high schoolers is still Jordan. The album would be considered great in any era

yea,it definitely impacted regular people more

more regular people? wtf does that even mean. come on now lol

 

[StretfordRed]

By who though? It was never hot on the streets.
We can say that,but i aside from these troll haven forums i dont see the acclaim
I've heard more people bumping and bigging up
Teflon don
My krazy life
Take care
Young og
etc
I've heard people bumping and bigging up mixtapes like
Rich forever
Soul tapes 2 & 3
etc

 

[NoHalfWay]

its getting old people trying to dismiss GKMC because of the watered down talent. Jordan playing with a bunch of high schoolers is still Jordan. The album would be considered great in any era

Stop it.

Jordan's gonna put up more points against high schoolers than he will professionals.

GKMC is a great album in its own right, but drop it in a different time period where mainstream had more talent then it would sound a little less special.

 

[wire28]

Stop it.

Jordan's gonna put up more points against high schoolers than he will professionals.

GKMC is a great album in its own right, but drop it in a different time period where mainstream had more talent then it would sound a little less special.

jordan doesnt get a power boost by playing against lower competition. the skills are still the same. kendrick's pen game, flow, content, and production arent better because young thug exists. they'd be the same regardless

edit: if kendrick was born in 1977 instead of 1987 he'd still be able to write a song like The Heart pt 2. the skills of those around him dont impact that nor do they impact what he was able to craft in GKMC

 

[No1]

its getting old people trying to dismiss GKMC because of the watered down talent. Jordan playing with a bunch of high schoolers is still Jordan. The album would be considered great in any era


more regular people? wtf does that even mean. come on now lol

Your analogy does not work. If MJ played with a bunch of HS kids we would never know how great he was if he decided to not go to the NBA. I'm sorry, but it wasn't just me when that album dropped. It was this thing where I and a lot of people on here who would usually side with people musically were entirely confused as to why that shyt was hyped the way it was. I literally have never been so far off from popular opinion in my life. The type of people I meet that think that shyt is classic are (a) hipster writers on places like pitchfork, (b) people who think it was the deepest thing they ever heard, (c) people who have no context of hip hop history or (d) people who like hip hop with a "message" and have not heard this type of album in a long time ("conscious people").

That's just my experience with 95% of the people who hyped this album. I was on college campuses with my cousin watching people zone out to this shyt like it was something they had never heard before, and we were flabbergasted. It started to feel like this album being a classic was forced, and I bought it only because I was told it was a classic. Even now, the entire industry pushed that "i" track while most thought it was "blah." No matter what he does people act like it is the greatest thing ever. (That is probably the root of the backlash). GKMC will go down as a classic, but it does not feel as organic as others. But I can see how it is relatable. His next album will be hailed as the year's best too regardless of the quality...he's just that guy right now. I'll never get it.

 

[NoHalfWay]

jordan doesnt get a power boost by playing against lower competition. the skills are still the same. kendrick's pen game, flow, content, and production arent better because young thug exists. they'd be the same regardless

if kendrick was born in 1977 instead of 1987 he'd still be able to write a song like The Heart pt 2. the skills of those around him dont impact that nor do they impact what he was able to craft in GKMC

Jordan doesn't get a power boost by playing lower levels, he'll just look a lot better than he actually is.

Yeah Kendrick is a nice MC. But he's surrounded by a bunch of not so great MCs. How talented would he appear if he wasn't?

 

[wire28]

Your analogy does not work. If MJ played with a bunch of HS kids we would never know how great he was if he decided to not go to the NBA. I'm sorry, but it wasn't just me when that album dropped. It was this thing where I and a lot of people on here who would usually side with people musically were entirely confused as to why that shyt was hyped the way it was. I literally have never been so far off from popular opinion in my life. The type of people I meet that think that shyt is classic are (a) hipster writers on places like pitchfork, (b) people who think it was the deepest thing they ever heard, (c) people who have no context of hip hop history or (d) people who like hip hop with a "message" and have not heard this type of album in a long time ("conscious people").

That's just my experience with 95% of the people who hyped this album. I was on college campuses with my cousin watching people zone out to this shyt like it was something they had never heard before, and we were flabbergasted. It started to feel like this album being a classic was forced, and I bought it only because I was told it was a classic. The album will go down as a classic, but it does not feel as organic as others. There are several dull moments on this album, but if you relate--I can see why it would be a personal classic..I have plenty of albums that I consider personal classics....but I know that in the pantheon of albums they don't necessarily hold up.

the point is the skills of the rapper and by extension the art he was able to craft arent impacted by the skills of those around him. they would exist regardless. you take the album as an entity of its own and judge it based on its own merits not the sounds of other less talented artists around it.

most of the people that i see that say it isnt a classic or it was overrated are those that believe the last classic was in the 1990s and there never will be another classic because most rappers today are trash. so if somebody that is actually good comes along, they'll dismiss it because "hipsters"

 

[afterlife2009]