Ken Ham will debate Bill Nye

[Master Teacher]

You do realize the link you posted is clearly from a bible thumper? Now the most important part: Do you realize the link you posted has dates ranging over thousands of years? Did this magical worldwide flood last thousands of years? Don't you think the most logical and rational thought is that different parts of the world flooded at different points in time? You know, like how it still happens to this date? Logic is not a religious mans friend.

I said scroll to the bottom to see the tabelts, but thats the physical evidence
I don't have time to look up each one individual

it doesn't matter if he's a bible thumper or not the TABLETS ARE REAL

I don't discriminate evidence when it is verifiable t

Once again the region where the bible takes place is in Africa, Eastern and South Africa stll have undiscovered ruins that were buried by the flood
the stone circles in South Africa are evidence, but you just IGNORE IT

 

[ill]

I said scroll to the bottom to see the tabelts, but thats the physical evidence
I don't have time to look up each one individual

it doesn't matter if he's a bible thumper or not the TABLETS ARE REAL

I don't discriminate evidence when it is verifiable t

Once again the region where the bible takes place is in Africa, Eastern and South Africa stll have undiscovered ruins that were buried by the flood
the stone circles in South Africa are evidence, but you just IGNORE IT

Here's where I continue to berate your ignorance. No one is saying that flooding didn't occur in the ancient world. It did. Just like it still does to this day. The problem with Noahs Ark is that there was supposedly a great worldwide flood. That means the entire world was flooded at THE SAME TIME. Not thousands of years apart. Not hundreds of years apart. AT THE SAME TIME!! What don't you understand about that? Theres no logical reason that Noahs Ark is a true story. Its a tall tale. Here's a logical interpretation: One village got flooded, and one guy saved some animals and people from his village and someone wrote that account into scripture. It was then told as a tall tale to the future generations and the exaggerations escalated with each generation to the point that today people like you think the entire world flooded and only this one magical guy made it out alive. Like really? You think people 4000 years ago have superpowers? People were primitive as fukk and knowledge was only held in the minds of a few. Enjoy your fairy tales breh.

 

[Brown_Pride]

So if someday we discovered the creator of the universe, this being would fit the description of the Christian god in your view?

I don't believe we ever will by virtue of the faith requirement. That again is just a belief. I don't know exactly what God will be like, I suspect he's a little more complex than I might be able to fathom.

 

[Brown_Pride]

damn boy, you lost me on two counts, I don't do "requirements" very well and I like my evidence almost as much as I like my proofs


and I expect that the only way to say you believe in god is to parrot things you've been told without evidence or proof, while deluding yourself that you are engaging in the act of believing, (which is impossible because belief requires evidence, this is wired in the human mind and the macrocosmic natural world), so we even

Ergo faith. Faith that without proof what I believe is true. I know and acknowledge that it's illogical and not based in anything concrete outside of my own personal experience, this is why you don't usually find me in religious threads trying to "prove" shyt to people.

I'm neither trying to lose you or find you , just explaining my beliefs to you so that you might better understand how someone can exist, believe in science, but also have room for faith and God.

I'll also add that in spite of all the science we now have we still simply don't know a lot of shyt. YET, we believe in certain things, things we'll never fully be able to prove.

And it's not wired into humans to have proof, hell i'd say the exact opposite as religion and faith predate the requirement for proof on a mass scale.

 

[Master Teacher]

Here's where I continue to berate your ignorance. No one is saying that flooding didn't occur in the ancient world. It did. Just like it still does to this day. The problem with Noahs Ark is that there was supposedly a great worldwide flood. That means the entire world was flooded at THE SAME TIME. Not thousands of years apart. Not hundreds of years apart. AT THE SAME TIME!! What don't you understand about that? Theres no logical reason that Noahs Ark is a true story. Its a tall tale. Here's a logical interpretation: One village got flooded, and one guy saved some animals and people from his village and someone wrote that account into scripture. It was then told as a tall tale to the future generations and the exaggerations escalated with each generation to the point that today people like you think the entire world flooded and only this one magical guy made it out alive. Like really? You think people 4000 years ago have superpowers? People were primitive as fukk and knowledge was only held in the minds of a few. Enjoy your fairy tales breh.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/January/Archaeologists-Ancient-Writings-Confirm-Noahs-Ark/

All I said was there's more evidence supporting the flood happen which I can continue to pour on if you would like, nobody knows for sure because there's still a lot of stuff that has been unearthed or discovered yet

but you just said the ancient world was flooded

You have to understand the bible takes place in Africa, that was their world,
the middle east was once connected to africa but broke off over time

 

[ill]

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/January/Archaeologists-Ancient-Writings-Confirm-Noahs-Ark/

All I said was there's more evidence supporting the flood happen which I can continue to poor on if you would like, nobody knows for sure because there's still a lot of stuff that has been unearthed or discovered yet

but you just said the ancient world was flooded

You have to understand the bible takes place in Africa, that was their world,
the middle east was once connected to africa but broke off over time

Oh, I see. A tablet found in Iraq has relevant information about Africa which is 4500 miles away. I see . Just for clarification, I said there were floods (plural) in the ancient world, just like today. That implies multiple floods and to further my statement, they occurred at different times. For your story to hold up, the entire world had to have flooded at the same time. When you can bring evidence of the whole world flooding at the same time, I'll give your opinions credibility. Until then you are a crazy person.

Don't worry, I already know your irrational response of "look at the tablets" "theres more evidence that we haven't uncovered" blah blah. You have nothing concrete to stand on and are furthering religious propaganda that can't be substantiated.

 

[NoMayo15]

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/January/Archaeologists-Ancient-Writings-Confirm-Noahs-Ark/

All I said was there's more evidence supporting the flood happen which I can continue to pour on if you would like, nobody knows for sure because there's still a lot of stuff that has been unearthed or discovered yet

but you just said the ancient world was flooded

You have to understand the bible takes place in Africa, that was their world,
the middle east was once connected to africa but broke off over time

All you've said is there have been floods thoughout Africa throughout the course of several years. Where's the miracle in that?!

 

[NZA]

you cant have a good debate if there is no common ground. either you think science is the criteria or you think faith in bronze age myth is the criteria. when the two conflict, there is no way to have a winner if both sides dont agree on the veracity of both fields of knowledge.

 

[Master Teacher]

Oh, I see. A tablet found in Iraq has relevant information about Africa which is 4500 miles away. I see . Just for clarification, I said there were floods (plural) in the ancient world, just like today. That implies multiple floods and to further my statement, they occurred at different times. For your story to hold up, the entire world had to have flooded at the same time. When you can bring evidence of the whole world flooding at the same time, I'll give your opinions credibility. Until then you are a crazy person.

Don't worry, I already know your irrational response of "look at the tablets" "theres more evidence that we haven't uncovered" blah blah. You have nothing concrete to stand on and are furthering religious propaganda that can't be substantiated.

you have to realize before the bible the only civilizations were African, so the tale was passed down beginning from probably Sumeria
the bible never mentions Asia Europe, North or South America

the flood referred to in those tablets ins the GREAT FLOOD, that destroyed civilization, when you speak of the world you speak of the civilization

you never heard the terms "the western world" the middle eastern world the eastern "world

they speak of civilizations, when God said he destroyed the world he was destroying civilization

 

[Master Teacher]

All you've said is there have been floods thoughout Africa throughout the course of several years. Where's the miracle in that?!

He said it was a miracle?

Don't we call Tornados and Earthquakes, ACTS OF GOD, isn't the definition of a Flood

 

[Brown_Pride]

you cant have a good debate if there is no common ground. either you think science is the criteria or you think faith in bronze age myth is the criteria. when the two conflict, there is no way to have a winner if both sides dont agree on the veracity of both fields of knowledge.

kinda.
For scientific things you can, but once you start trying to explain things by saying, "God did it" then yeah you're not speaking the same language.

For instance we can discuss the big bang and the evidence we see that might support it, that doesn't touch on religion. We can discuss computer science, medicine and science fields like that but once we cross the point where you ask me HOW we run into problems.

If we ask, "what happened before the big bang" when we get down to the "facts" neither one of us can prove shyt unfortunately.

 

[NoMayo15]

He said it was a miracle?

Don't we call Tornados and Earthquakes, ACTS OF GOD, isn't the definition of a Flood

Yeah, but it's a figure of speech. We don't actually think there's a conscious being causing natural disasters, and killing people. That's why they're more commonly called natural disasters.

 

[Master Teacher]

Yeah, but it's a figure of speech. We don't actually think there's a conscious being causing natural disasters, and killing people. That's why they're more commonly called natural disasters.

God is nature though by definition because God encompasses everything God and Bad

you can't talk to me like some bible belt zealot because that's not where I'm coming from

You have to separate religion from the bible to understand

a lot of stuff yall arguing is stuff individuals make up and not exactly what the bible states

there's nothing in the bible to give a specific time date of number of years for any of these events
that's why the same stories are found in places that predate the bible or the thought of religion

 

[tmonster]

Ergo faith.

ergo doing what you are told while deluding yourself that you are some special super hero martyr (faithman) for not using your good sense

 

[tmonster]

If we ask, "what happened before the big bang" when we get down to the "facts" neither one of us can prove shyt unfortunately.

can you see the ontological trap that you and only you have gleefully walked into?
if I have to tell you what happened before the big bang then you have to tell me where god came from and if he does not have to come from anywhere, well why does the big bang have to come from anywhere
if you want the magic rules to work only for you then you can't invoke causality at any time