Kamala Harris vs. Maxine Waters, Issa Rae's Inherited Cluelessness about Black Life 7/31

[Kenny West]

It is tribalism...and?

And more and more AAs are going to be ethnocentric going forward once they get privy to the bullshyt.

Stay mad.

But...you and yvette are the ones mad tho.

*looks at sig*

Because White Americans aren't owed reparations....was that really a thought you conjured up? lol

Holy shyt I can't even sarcastically say "good try" to this one. 100% fail

The fukk does reparations have to do with money Issa earns herself?

Since when are reparations being doled out in the form of TV show syndications?

When you see other blk people accepting their paychecks do you go "MY REPARATION MONEY!!" or is that only reserved for non AA?

This is the hotep version of going full retard

 

[Poitier]

But...you and yvette are the ones mad tho.

You're in this thread writing essays about what you don't disagree with trying to win over folks who agree with the video in OP[/QUOTE]

yeah you're definitely the mad one

The fukk does reparations have to do with money Issa earns herself?

You really are as dumb as you seem

Who is and isn't owed reparations based on lineage is one of White folks main talking points to delegitimize giving them out

Issa Rae and other immigrants being encouraged and propped up muddies the waters.....are you really too dumb to figure that out?

 

[TRY GOD]

You're trying to make this into some profound point when it's really haterism mixed with tribalism

As for the bold, again I ask.....HOW?

And don't tell me some bullshyt about "w-w-well it took the opportunity away from other AA" after this


She had a webshow with a genuine following and then got picked up for a TV series. This happens to white content creators too so I'm wondering why only a black person has to deal with this action interpreted as a slight against her entire race.

I don't give a fukk where her parents are from, I need a better explanation of how her success takes something away from me.


"HER SUCCESS = DELEGITIMACY OF AFRICAN AMERICANS" is the point we can't reconcile.

All of this is just to make a reason to say "She's not one of us!!" in spite of being black and american and to conclude that her success that black people are a part of is harmful. fukk out of here

Funny your argument is that issa's job is not to represent black life, especially AA black life, yet you are heralding her success as a beacon for black people. That is oxymoronic

 

[Kenny West]

You're in this thread writing essays about what you don't disagree with trying to win over folks who agree with the video in OP

yeah you're definitely the mad one

uh huh, sure I am....pretty sure I made my comment and you replied to me.

you're losing it.

I don't waste effort winning over anyone, especially people attacking other black folk out of self hate and envy

You really are as dumb as you seem

Who is and isn't owed reparations based on lineage is one of White folks main talking points to delegitimize giving them out

Issa Rae's life, art, and success are not a fukking talking point. she doesn't need to be attacked to combat a talking point that would exist regardless of her. They would make up any reason in the world to not pay reparations. Attacking other black folks does nothing for this, if anything it plays in their hands

Side note: is this lowkey admitting you're attacking issa for the white gaze?

Issa Rae and other immigrants being encouraged and propped up muddies the waters.....are you really too dumb to figure that out?

For the third time

H
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"You don't deserve to have a successful show that you worked for and your peers support. because reparations and talking points from racists"

clown shyt

 

[Kenny West]

Funny your argument is that issa's job is not to represent black life, especially AA black life, yet you are heralding her success as a beacon for black people. That is oxymoronic

had to have struck a nerve with your weird ass to call for that kind of hyperbole.


beacon for black people.....where do yall come up with this shyt

 

[Poitier]

@satam55 @Dak_Brehscott keep making threads for all of Carnell's shows

@ these non-AAs mad that we drawing lines in the sand

 

[TRY GOD]

had to have struck a nerve with your weird ass to call for that kind of hyperbole.


beacon for black people.....where do yall come up with this shyt

This statement is not a denial of what I said tho....

Oochi wallyone mic

 

[Kenny West]

This statement is not a denial of what I said tho....

Oochi wallyone mic

I'm not acknowledging anything you said.

What you said has no merit, aside from the point you're making now not being nearly as hypocritical as you wanna make it seem...aside from barely relating to everything you quoted.

You're gonna have to tell me how you came to the conclusion of me calling her a beacon before I can even contemplate taking you seriously.

@satam55 @Dak_Brehscott keep making threads for all of Carnell's shows

@ these non-AAs mad that we drawing lines in the sand

CTFU nikkas get sonned so bad they talk around you and rally for daps

I'm black american as is my family. and all I see is yall nikkas playing tribalism on the internet as a vehicle to get their hate on.

 

[TRY GOD]

I'm not acknowledging anything you said.




Blah blah blah blah.....

juelz wake up

• TRY GOD
• Jul 30, 2016
• juelz santana

 

[Box Cutta]

I'm definitely not going to vote for Kamala. I don't care if Trump gets 4 more years, no black man should vote for her.

 

[Quarquar]

I respect what Issa has done starting with a Youtube show.

I ain't even gonna lie I'm not a fan of the show, but since the idea is it is her story, she needs to be more authentic.
She sells her story as the unique, "different experiences" daughter of Senegalese immigrants yadi, yada. Great. Where's that side of the story ? Her relationship with her parents: When they gonna show up with her African aunts and uncles to her apartment and weep when they find out what she does for a living? Or the African friends looking for white husbands? Where are the other nerdy black kids she went to school with? Do they avoid each other in real life/her real story?
If she's chopping and screwing the story, then she should turn down the volume about her show being some sort of sistagurl spiritual journey and stack her HBO coins. No hate just keeping it 100.

As @Poitier said, you missed the point of what she said.

Outside of critiqueing Issa for saying "we just need old white racist people to die to improve race relations" and being naive, she was actually complementary towards her.

Her point was that simply being black isn't enough to fully appreciate and understand the "black American" experience. Does her parents and ancestors have the same experience as most AAs of living under Jim Crow? No. Does her ancestors have the same experience of American slavery? No. If anything they probably sold slaves to whites.

Her point is that the media and society seems to find people who have no real roots in the African American experience to be representative of the African America experience. Not that she is a bad person, but a lot of African immigrants like her parents come from a different experience. Sadly this means that they seem to fall into and prop up the white supremacist system as a result.

Kampala Harris is raised by an Indian mom and a Jamaican dad and her aunt says that she is what she is today only because of her Indian mother, and we're supposed to believethat she has a true connection to the African American community? Not to mention she was raised solely by her Indian mother from age 7 and onwards after they got divorced and lived in Canada for a good part of her life.

And she's right.

Umar says this sometimes as well.

Poor and working class black people really haven't had REAL representation on a national level since dr king and Malcolm, before those deep pocket corporate politicians aligned themselves with our movement in the 80's (Jesse and al)

If it's based on her life why are the African/immigrant/bourgeois roots of her experience invisible. I don't know too many African kids with brand name degrees who have relationships with guys flopping on their couch. Again, I don't watch the show regularly, but I'll be very dissapointed if in the end it turns out this is based on what some people in a conference room at HBO came up with as the black awkward/bourgie/non-conformist experience.

If she has the courage to talk about reparations on the show, which is not a subject we talk about in public to any ol' person, why don't she touch on just one issue related to her Senegalese or immigrant background too? How does reparations affect her dating struggles and relationships?
I doubt I'm part of the target audience so it really doesn't matter, but it is a legit question if the stoylines are based on her real life and not a caricature.

She's very talented and I wish her all the success despite my misgivings, can't be worse than anything we've seen or heard already.

People in this thread for this non AA:

Once again, its not the argument she is making.

Carnell is saying White folks are quicker to prop up and fund folks who are removed from the AA experience as a way to delegitimize AAs as a specific ethnic group which is why she cites folks like Rae, Obama, Kamala, etc...not that their experiences aren't genuine, entertaining, legitimate, or that they didn't work hard to get where they are at though I'd question those arguments personally.

Please watch the fukking video yall.

Lol. The misinformation in this thread is laughable. I don't care much for issa rae but how is she solely the child of an African immigrant when her mother is an AFRICAN AMERICAN from LOUISIANA who moved to LA as a child? Issas mother graduated from Dorsey High School, a historically black school, in Los Angeles. How is she removed from AA experience when her mother is AA and raised her? Cats in here talking about what does issa know about Jim Crow and slavery? Lmao quite a bit considering a set of her grandparents did what a lot of West Coast blacks did. Leave the racist violent oppressive south in the 50s and 60s in search of a better life. You dudes pretend to care about black issues but are the most divisive. Ready to discredit or tear someone down even when your facts aren't completely in line with reality. Shame on u and yvette for trumpeting this bullshyt.

This is a short article about the death of Issa's aunt. Her mother, who is mentioned in the article, is named Delyna Hawyard (maiden) Diop is obviously the name she adopted when she married Issa's father. Tell me again about how Issa shouldn't speak on AA issues when she is half AA and grew up from the age of 5 onward in America.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.east...ck-co-founder-rae-louise-hayward-57-dies/amp/

 

[Poitier]

Lol. The misinformation in this thread is laughable. I don't care much for issa rae but how is she solely the child of an African immigrant when her mother is an AFRICAN AMERICAN from LOUISIANA who moved to LA as a child? Issas mother graduated from Dorsey High School, a historically black school, in Los Angeles. How is she removed from AA experience when her mother is AA and raised her? Cats in here talking about what does issa know about Jim Crow and slavery? Lmao quite a bit considering a set of her grandparents did what a lot of West Coast blacks did. Leave the racist violent oppressive south in the 50s and 60s in search of a better life. You dudes pretend to care about black issues but are the most divisive. Ready to discredit or tear someone down even when your facts aren't completely in line with reality. Shame on u and yvette for trumpeting this bullshyt.

This is a short article about the death of Issa's aunt. Her mother, who is mentioned in the article, is named Delyna Hawyard (maiden) Diop is obviously the name she adopted when she married Issa's father. Tell me again about how Issa shouldn't speak on AA issues when she is half AA and grew up from the age of 5 onward in America.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.east...ck-co-founder-rae-louise-hayward-57-dies/amp/

I stand corrected on Rae's ancestry if true. Though I'm not going to pretend she isn't removed from AAs being the daughter of an African daughter.

A person who makes fun of reparations and says old folks need to die out still shouldn't speak on AA issues.

And, Yvette is still 100% correct about the need for AA ethnocentrism

 

[Quarquar]

• I stand corrected on Rae's ancestry if true. Though I'm not going to pretend she isn't removed from AAs being the daughter of an African daughter.

A person who makes fun of reparations and says old folks need to die out still shouldn't speak on AA issues.

And, Yvette is still 100% correct about the need for AA ethnocentrism

Dude, dont play that passive aggressive, if it is true shyt with me. It is common knowledge issas mother is AA. You all are just so thirsty to discredit another black person, you overlooked pertinent information. Yeah I don't agree with her naiveity regarding race relations but there are AAs with two AA parents who have said worse and done worse. Think it is short sighted to remove her or minmize her AA experience because she has a Senegalese father. She grew up in AA communities her whole life and let's be real, once u start school, u spend more time around your peers than your family. Your argument would stick more if she didn't spend her formative years around AAs in school/life and her AA side of the family who all lived in California.

 

[fairfax12]

How does Yvette feel about descedants of slaves from the Caribbean? If a child is born to a JA mom and AA pops would they be owed?

 

[Remo]

Dude, dont play that passive aggressive, if it is true shyt with me. It is common knowledge issas mother is AA. You all are just so thirsty to discredit another black person, you overlooked pertinent information. Yeah I don't agree with her naiveity regarding race relations but there are AAs with two AA parents who have said worse and done worse. Think it is short sighted to remove her or minmize her AA experience because she has a Senegalese father. She grew up in AA communities her whole life and let's be real, once u start school, u spend more time around your peers than your family. Your argument would stick more if she didn't spend her formative years around AAs in school/life and her AA side of the family who all lived in California.

In 1988, they moved to a lavish home, kitted out with a security guard and a maid, in an upscale neighborhood in Dakar — the capital and Abdoulaye’s hometown. Rae’s father tried and failed to open a hospital there, and after about two years, the family moved back to Windsor Hills. Rae’s mother enrolled her in one of the best schools in South Los Angeles, King/Drew Magnet High School of Medicine and Science.

Until then, Rae had zigzagged between private schools, where she stood out for being black, and public schools, where she was mocked for her so-called white affectations. King/Drew was largely black and Latino, and she relished her immersion in mainstream American black culture, which until then she had mostly experienced through TV. Rae calls it her ‘‘pinnacle black experience.’’

Black television was a lifeline for Rae, especially during a period of her childhood spent in Maryland. ‘‘When I was in Potomac as the sole black girl, these shows were my access to black culture in some ways,’’ she writes in her memoir.

The Misadventures of Issa Rae


Mind you shes high aged at this point. She wasn't formed by the culture. she viewed it from the sideline like any other Non AA would. Also its funny you think just 1 parent can instill culture in a child. Lots of Aframs are raised in a village type setting where immediate and some extended family shape you.
This chick was isolated in her half AA/AF privileged bubble.