No clear signs reported no.. they were a wealthy family that had control of their image. This is an affluent white family from East Atlanta vs Casey being a random single white female working at a theme park. Regardless though yes, the discrepancy is part of why the case is unsolved.. there's always going to be some discrepancy, its a decades cold case.
JonBenet Ramsey, so it was the parents?
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Sauce and Footwork
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I don’t expect anyone to read this shyt. It’s just me vocalizing my comments after watching the Netflix docuserues..
Ok so I believed the parents did it up until this point and now I feel like an idiot. And it’s not all the way our fault. The media went with sensationalism and the police were incompetent and didnt do real police work.
Yea so I’m on episode 2 (not even some yet) and that smart ass special detective Lou is shytting on all incompetent police work that was performed. Buddy found a point of entry the police did not even consider leading down into the basement. He filmed himself using it as an entry way multiple times for people to see it was possible . He was 66 years old at the time. How did the authorities completely miss that she had marks from a stun gun. The police didn’t know what it was, they just dismissed it as maybe she was hit with a patterned object. Parents need a stun gun for the child and a ripe. fukk outta here.
Found a rope in the room next to her room that no one in the family recognized. Now if you are going to kill your own child, there are better ways to incapacitate them. As a father I am strong enough to carry my own child of that age sleeping around the house without them knowing. Unessesary. And why just leave the rope there. The cops were lazy and omitted evidence including dna to the public which further gave the impression they killed the child. Why were they acting weird with the media and stuff? They literally had people accuse them from day 1. I can’t imagine if someone accused me and my wife of laying a finger on our children. You would be enraged. You would not be trying to talk to media after she is already dead. This isn’t like they acted like that when they were trying to find her. . Like others mentioned, the deadline for the ransom passed, so what did the father gain from this. There was never a financial transaction. The cops and the media played with the bullshyt, mother who just survived cancer, kills her daughter because she was enraged she wet the bed. The sheets were not even wet. It would be easy to prove if the sheets were changed (dna). My kid wet the bed last night. Who cares?
To be clear I know it’s sick people in the world and this stuff happens, but the parents were cleared for a reason and the authorities did not try to help them as much as people claim. They allowed and fed the media this sensationalism with false or incomplete information about the case.i never been down with little girl Beauty pageants, I would not allow my daughter to do it, because of if I feel they have them in innapropriate outfits sometimes and it can be bad for self esteem for children of that age, but my daughter is in private school and she has 2 friends who are in pageants and shyt. My daughter is 8. Most of these are just mothers reliving through the child. The mother at some point, like the Ramsey mom were former beauty queens and contestants. The father simply had pics of his daughter performing. They tried to make it seem like he a weirdo but that’s the same as my daughter is a gymnast, so I naturally have pics of her in her outfit. You can sexualize a gymnast outfit as well, but I’m just supporting my fukking daughter . The fukk. lol. That’s a fathers role. The dumb bytch on George show talking about the little girl was hunching the saxophone. At this point in episode one I still thought the parents did it and knew this girl in no way is grinding against the saxophone in which she is saying the girl shows signs of sexual abuse. That was silly and irresponsible for them to do that mock trial. The parents searched the house. That’s the police fault. They weren’t trying to aid them either, they were being incompetent and dismissive. If a police officer tells me that, I’m going to do it (I’m trying to find my daughter).
Last thing. Why are they trying to act like it’s strange he started at the basement. I was in the Marine Corps and even my training would naturally have me start at either the lowest or highest level point and work from there. Honestly that’s common sense. Everyone has been all through upstairs and the middle level, with people in and out the house. Why the fukk (lol) wouldn’t you first go to the part of the house where no one has been going to.
Again they think they child has been kidnapped, why the fukk would a parent think “o maybe our child is actually still somewhere in the house, that makes no sense to rationally think that”. They say the father tampers the crime scene doing this.. that’s not his fault. It’s the police for allowing non police to even search it. He immediately was concerned for her life , hoping she possibly could still show signs of life. He immediately took her up to get her help. So he did what dads do and went into Superman mode for his daughter. The same as if a woman finds her child dead … a mother’s natural instinct is to go and touch her child. They will lay over and touch their faces sobbing in pain. A parent is going to have a more difficult time comprehending and acting in a professional manner in the child they brought into the world is murdered and dead. Like I feel so dumb blaming them. I can’t even entertain the possibility of her brother doing it. The psychologist found nothing out of the ordinary with him as a 9 year old. Showed no signs of abuse, no issues with his sister. No dna was found on the bat, which would be the weapon most likely used by a little boy who wanted to myrder his sister. A child capable of even doing any of those things is going to show signs. He didn’t kill his sister and parents decided to cover it up by writing a ransom letter, sexually assaulting their own child with a paint brush or whatever and strangling her to death. wtf and then leaving the child in the home . If you are that sick, why wouldn’t you be vigilant enough to dispose of the body like that father who murdered his family or most murderers do and allow the public to feel bad for you and think she may still be out there. Why open yourself up to being a murder suspect. shyt is dumb. Parents have killed they children, but not them. I feel bad as a parent and father with a daughter that him and his wife , they boy and their entire family had to deal with that bullshyt.
Person who did this definitely knows them well. Relatives friends or whatever. They knew the home
Edit - completely changed my mind. Her parents covered up for their son Burke. Burke who has a history of anger and violence against his sister including hitting her with a golf club murdered her. The mother wrote the fraudulent letter and the parents covered for their son which is not uncommon. At this point I simply watched the documentary and had done absolutely no research to make my own conclusion.
Ok so I believed the parents did it up until this point and now I feel like an idiot. And it’s not all the way our fault. The media went with sensationalism and the police were incompetent and didnt do real police work.
Yea so I’m on episode 2 (not even some yet) and that smart ass special detective Lou is shytting on all incompetent police work that was performed. Buddy found a point of entry the police did not even consider leading down into the basement. He filmed himself using it as an entry way multiple times for people to see it was possible . He was 66 years old at the time. How did the authorities completely miss that she had marks from a stun gun. The police didn’t know what it was, they just dismissed it as maybe she was hit with a patterned object. Parents need a stun gun for the child and a ripe. fukk outta here.
Found a rope in the room next to her room that no one in the family recognized. Now if you are going to kill your own child, there are better ways to incapacitate them. As a father I am strong enough to carry my own child of that age sleeping around the house without them knowing. Unessesary. And why just leave the rope there. The cops were lazy and omitted evidence including dna to the public which further gave the impression they killed the child. Why were they acting weird with the media and stuff? They literally had people accuse them from day 1. I can’t imagine if someone accused me and my wife of laying a finger on our children. You would be enraged. You would not be trying to talk to media after she is already dead. This isn’t like they acted like that when they were trying to find her. . Like others mentioned, the deadline for the ransom passed, so what did the father gain from this. There was never a financial transaction. The cops and the media played with the bullshyt, mother who just survived cancer, kills her daughter because she was enraged she wet the bed. The sheets were not even wet. It would be easy to prove if the sheets were changed (dna). My kid wet the bed last night. Who cares?
To be clear I know it’s sick people in the world and this stuff happens, but the parents were cleared for a reason and the authorities did not try to help them as much as people claim. They allowed and fed the media this sensationalism with false or incomplete information about the case.i never been down with little girl Beauty pageants, I would not allow my daughter to do it, because of if I feel they have them in innapropriate outfits sometimes and it can be bad for self esteem for children of that age, but my daughter is in private school and she has 2 friends who are in pageants and shyt. My daughter is 8. Most of these are just mothers reliving through the child. The mother at some point, like the Ramsey mom were former beauty queens and contestants. The father simply had pics of his daughter performing. They tried to make it seem like he a weirdo but that’s the same as my daughter is a gymnast, so I naturally have pics of her in her outfit. You can sexualize a gymnast outfit as well, but I’m just supporting my fukking daughter . The fukk. lol. That’s a fathers role. The dumb bytch on George show talking about the little girl was hunching the saxophone. At this point in episode one I still thought the parents did it and knew this girl in no way is grinding against the saxophone in which she is saying the girl shows signs of sexual abuse. That was silly and irresponsible for them to do that mock trial. The parents searched the house. That’s the police fault. They weren’t trying to aid them either, they were being incompetent and dismissive. If a police officer tells me that, I’m going to do it (I’m trying to find my daughter).
Last thing. Why are they trying to act like it’s strange he started at the basement. I was in the Marine Corps and even my training would naturally have me start at either the lowest or highest level point and work from there. Honestly that’s common sense. Everyone has been all through upstairs and the middle level, with people in and out the house. Why the fukk (lol) wouldn’t you first go to the part of the house where no one has been going to.
Again they think they child has been kidnapped, why the fukk would a parent think “o maybe our child is actually still somewhere in the house, that makes no sense to rationally think that”. They say the father tampers the crime scene doing this.. that’s not his fault. It’s the police for allowing non police to even search it. He immediately was concerned for her life , hoping she possibly could still show signs of life. He immediately took her up to get her help. So he did what dads do and went into Superman mode for his daughter. The same as if a woman finds her child dead … a mother’s natural instinct is to go and touch her child. They will lay over and touch their faces sobbing in pain. A parent is going to have a more difficult time comprehending and acting in a professional manner in the child they brought into the world is murdered and dead. Like I feel so dumb blaming them. I can’t even entertain the possibility of her brother doing it. The psychologist found nothing out of the ordinary with him as a 9 year old. Showed no signs of abuse, no issues with his sister. No dna was found on the bat, which would be the weapon most likely used by a little boy who wanted to myrder his sister. A child capable of even doing any of those things is going to show signs. He didn’t kill his sister and parents decided to cover it up by writing a ransom letter, sexually assaulting their own child with a paint brush or whatever and strangling her to death. wtf and then leaving the child in the home . If you are that sick, why wouldn’t you be vigilant enough to dispose of the body like that father who murdered his family or most murderers do and allow the public to feel bad for you and think she may still be out there. Why open yourself up to being a murder suspect. shyt is dumb. Parents have killed they children, but not them. I feel bad as a parent and father with a daughter that him and his wife , they boy and their entire family had to deal with that bullshyt.
Person who did this definitely knows them well. Relatives friends or whatever. They knew the home
Edit - completely changed my mind. Her parents covered up for their son Burke. Burke who has a history of anger and violence against his sister including hitting her with a golf club murdered her. The mother wrote the fraudulent letter and the parents covered for their son which is not uncommon. At this point I simply watched the documentary and had done absolutely no research to make my own conclusion.
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I agree but when you’re generally looking at a perp for such a violent crime there tends to be ALOT of early signs
The worst thing they have on the parents is that they put their daughter in beauty pageants, which in their explanation makes sense… the mom used to do it and she had cancer and didn’t know if she’d ever be able to watch her daughter do them at an older age
If they are negligent in anything it’s from being naive, but I can’t completely fault them for that given the time period either. Naive in the sense that their daughter 1000% is an easier target for pedo’s and naive in thinking their neighborhood is safe enough they didn’t need to fix that broken window . Even the broken window I understand, it was in a location that was not viewable from the street, and had a grate over the top of it
This doc his series was made with the cooperation of the Ramsey family and directed by someone strongly aligned with the defense perspective.
Boulder Police have never cleared John and Patsy Ramsey as suspects in their daughter's homicide.
he wasn't wearing the cashmere sweater when he found her though so how did it end up the duck tape and genitals?
It’s already been pretty well established at this point that the cops did a horrific job of quarantining the scene.. the potential for cross contamination is crazy highhe wasn't wearing the cashmere sweater when he found her though so how did it end up the duck tape and genitals?
But also it wasn’t his fibers, it was Patsy the moms
Let’s be honest.. this department had no idea how to handle a murder investigation, and instead of doing a proper job they spent alot of $$ and panicked and needed to find a perp due to media pressure
Sauce and Footwork
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That’s a good point. I think most who watches just this would reach the conclusion I had because the incompetence of the police department was ridiculous. So that’s fair to say. I’m gonna look at opposing evidence. I only remember this shyt from being a child and came on the doc. I’m pissed at that police department for being so incompetent with not closing off the crime scene shyt. Absolutely made it more of mess . People should not have been in that house . Or cops shouldn’t have went with the bed wetter story when the bed wasn’t wet. . Right now I say not the parents, but I not 100% on that. Cuz facts shyt is strange and yea they could know a lot more than they say. That 118k number matching dad bonus is still weird to me. It’s atleast a family member at the least also involved. Now my Saturday I’m going down a rabbit hole lol. I’ll be back later on lol. The brother shyt is stupid tho. He wouldn’t know about garrotes
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blues_funk_reggae
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The crazy part for me was the fact that there was only one cop on the scene--the lady who was interviewed--and she was the only cop for HOURS at their house while all types of people came and went. She even said the pastor was up in there holding prayers and sh*t. SMH. I can't imagine the type of stuff that was being moved around behind her back without her knowing because we all know one person with two eyes can't have their eyes everywhere, and especially this lady who was under immense pressure. That's where they lost the whole case as far as I'm concerned.
Also, that police department hadn't had a homicide in a minute, so its like they had to dust off the procedure book and start from the beginning.
" Now according to the town charter, the first thing we have to do is start a journal and write down everything ...............
" Oh and we also have to alert our families about whats going on ...........
" Oh and we also have to check on our neighbors first ...........
So while they following the rule book the crime scene was basically turned into a neighborhood public place of gathering where people were coming and going as they please
Also, that police department hadn't had a homicide in a minute, so its like they had to dust off the procedure book and start from the beginning.
" Now according to the town charter, the first thing we have to do is start a journal and write down everything ...............
" Oh and we also have to alert our families about whats going on ...........
" Oh and we also have to check on our neighbors first ...........
So while they following the rule book the crime scene was basically turned into a neighborhood public place of gathering where people were coming and going as they please
Sauce and Footwork
Superstar
What fukked up about this is I typed all that shyt and it essentially was that incompetence and dumb stories and things they said to where the documentary centers around that will likely leave us with the impression the fam was unfairly assaulted and didn’t do it. We were fed misinformation regardless so fukk they police department.The crazy part for me was the fact that there was only one cop on the scene--the lady who was interviewed--and she was the only cop for HOURS at their house while all types of people came and went. She even said the pastor was up in there holding prayers and sh*t. SMH. I can't imagine the type of stuff that was being moved around behind her back without her knowing because we all know one person with two eyes can't have their eyes everywhere, and especially this lady who was under immense pressure. That's where they lost the whole case as far as I'm concerned.
Also, that police department hadn't had a homicide in a minute, so its like they had to dust off the procedure book and start from the beginning.
" Now according to the town charter, the first thing we have to do is start a journal and write down everything ...............
" Oh and we also have to alert our families about whats going on ...........
" Oh and we also have to check on our neighbors first ...........
So while they following the rule book the crime scene was basically turned into a neighborhood public place of gathering where people were coming and going as they please
But Now I’m looking outside of the doc. I already mentioned I am new on this. Only remember hearing about it as a kid. And I’m already seeing some other shyt that’s conflicting with the doc in regards to the real evidence. So now I’m back at parents might know something at the least. shyt is wild lol. But that police department is incompetent as shyt
it was both the moms and the dads fibers. and her genitals were wiped down before she was redressed with both of their fibers found in the area.
police absolutely botched the investigation from the jump. How do you let John search for the body by himself without another officer accompanying him?
Because the department had never dealt with a murder investigation to this level. Extremely shoddy police work and practice on multiple instances.
Elle Seven
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Are you from Gary, Indiana or thereabouts?
The suspect maybe maybe had a dual motive, like a grudge against the Ramsey Family, but his motive there was sexual pleasure, he only killed her, either by accident to keep her quiet, or on purpose to keep her quiet. But, yeah, the whole thing was sexually motivated. What kind of disciplined kidnapper would do all that shyt in the basement? The note was probably to confuse, while he abused her somewhere. Also, some of the things he brought with him, including maybe a stun gun, but the rest he improvised, including the paintbrush thing. And the ransom note.
My best guess is this is someone in the neighborhood, who has been in the house before. Maybe a service person, but my thinking would be more like the loser son of one of those families. Mid 20's, under employed. 18-25. Maybe older. What now is kinda called an incel. Someone who had been in the house for parties/block parties, gatherings of some kind, and knew something of the layout. Someone who became obsessed with Jon Benet and came up with a plan to act on it.
A lot of times suspects like this leave afterward, their 'post offense behavior' gives them away, heavy drinking, trying to insert themselves in the case, and they often leave, if they are able to, so maybe a return to college, or a transfer of schools, or a move out of state. Police let this person slip away by fixating on the Ramseys.
They weren't from out of town, it wasn't random, it wasn't a kidnapping for ransom. Someone saw that 118,000 on a piece of paper while creeping in the house, that day or before. It's like the Idaho murder. You don't just randomly break into a house and go door to door, he knew exactly what house, and what people were inside, because he planned it out.
The ransom note is by far the most exculpatory piece of evidence. The Ramseys didn't write that weird shyt, under pressure in the middle of the night.
My best guess is this is someone in the neighborhood, who has been in the house before. Maybe a service person, but my thinking would be more like the loser son of one of those families. Mid 20's, under employed. 18-25. Maybe older. What now is kinda called an incel. Someone who had been in the house for parties/block parties, gatherings of some kind, and knew something of the layout. Someone who became obsessed with Jon Benet and came up with a plan to act on it.
A lot of times suspects like this leave afterward, their 'post offense behavior' gives them away, heavy drinking, trying to insert themselves in the case, and they often leave, if they are able to, so maybe a return to college, or a transfer of schools, or a move out of state. Police let this person slip away by fixating on the Ramseys.
They weren't from out of town, it wasn't random, it wasn't a kidnapping for ransom. Someone saw that 118,000 on a piece of paper while creeping in the house, that day or before. It's like the Idaho murder. You don't just randomly break into a house and go door to door, he knew exactly what house, and what people were inside, because he planned it out.
The ransom note is by far the most exculpatory piece of evidence. The Ramseys didn't write that weird shyt, under pressure in the middle of the night.
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Sauce and Footwork
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yea I’m running with the same answer even after further research . The 118k sticks out as it was the amount from the fathers Christmas bonus, however he does not strike me as a man considering his accomplishments that would be that dumb to use that figure in a ransom note. There wasn’t an exchange $. Absolutely no transaction took place. So not only did he occur no financial gain, but him and his wife’s handwriting did not match that of the official letter. They submitted samples and the fbi cleared them 100%. So then who wrote the letter? It was not a member of the household. The note said not to contact authorities. The first thing the father does is contact the authorities. There is no stalling that takes place.
The little boy would not know about a garrote in a pre internet age or be that skilled at making one. It’s not an intruder, because they wouldn’t go through all that bullshyt with the letter talking about foreign factions and using that specific number as a ransom . This person would have actually kidnapped her body to collect the ransom. But the child was tortured and killed. This is a deviant individual who got off on this. Ok the father unintentionally tampered evidence with the body. Again that’s the police job to close the investigation scene. He did what any father would do and go into Superman mode and immediately grab his daughter to get help. Anyone who is a parent understands that emotion . That’s why cops are supposed to keep parents away.
The person who murdered her is very familiar with the family , whether family member, co worker , or a friend . They have been in the house before to even feel that comfortable staying for that duration of time torturing her downstairs. The dad didn’t pay off the police. They were the ones pointing at him that he did it. No absolving family of negligence , but they did not perform these events. Not too mention if I did something, I’m not going to years later continue to push for further dna evidence and shyt. That would be pointing the finger closer to yourself.
A parent doesn’t need to taser a 6 year old girl to get her to comply . If My son or daughter is sleep I can jump up and down and they not waking up. A parent can incapacitate their child way easier if that was what they wanted to do
There is no motive
The little boy would not know about a garrote in a pre internet age or be that skilled at making one. It’s not an intruder, because they wouldn’t go through all that bullshyt with the letter talking about foreign factions and using that specific number as a ransom . This person would have actually kidnapped her body to collect the ransom. But the child was tortured and killed. This is a deviant individual who got off on this. Ok the father unintentionally tampered evidence with the body. Again that’s the police job to close the investigation scene. He did what any father would do and go into Superman mode and immediately grab his daughter to get help. Anyone who is a parent understands that emotion . That’s why cops are supposed to keep parents away.
The person who murdered her is very familiar with the family , whether family member, co worker , or a friend . They have been in the house before to even feel that comfortable staying for that duration of time torturing her downstairs. The dad didn’t pay off the police. They were the ones pointing at him that he did it. No absolving family of negligence , but they did not perform these events. Not too mention if I did something, I’m not going to years later continue to push for further dna evidence and shyt. That would be pointing the finger closer to yourself.
A parent doesn’t need to taser a 6 year old girl to get her to comply . If My son or daughter is sleep I can jump up and down and they not waking up. A parent can incapacitate their child way easier if that was what they wanted to do
There is no motive
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Sauce and Footwork
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I agree with everything said. But in regards to the pedos age , that number can just as easily be a 44 year old man. (I know you said or older ) The 66 year old detective showed how easy it is to get in and out of there.i think it was closer to dad age .