JonBenet Ramsey, so it was the parents?

[bigde09]

Because the ransom note itself is delusional. it's designed to scare and delay, and cause confusion. The references to an organization. The shadowy group he represents. All an attempt to intimidate. And scare, and confuse.

if you believe that he wrote it before, which is probably right, I think, then there's your answer.

If you believe he wrote it after, it's to cause even more chaos, because he's scared and panicked, and did not intend to leave a body. I think the first makes more sense.

I do think the ransom note was to make sure police didn’t search the house first regardless of who wrote it. There’s just too many instances in the case where something doesn’t make sense. You can poke holes in each theory. Maybe they were pimping out they daughter and someone got too excited. There was a period where I believed it was a third party and the Ramseys covered it up. We’ll never know for sure

 

[levitate]

Anyone old enough to remember how Mad TV was going in on the Ramseys?

There's one video on YouTube, but I remember waaaaay more than that, they were going in on them on a weekly basis, insinuating that the Rameys were guilty.

Alex Borstein sneakily looked/looks good asf

 

[klutch2381]

Man, it’s sad this little girl died. She’d probably have her own family by now, but this crime is like the ultimate whodunit . I’ve been captivated by this shyt since literally childhood. I used to buy all those gossip magazines as a kid to stay abreast of this case.

I think who ever killed her was clearly an amateur and panicked, but most likely had been in the house before or explored the shyt while the Ramsey’s were at that Xmas party, so I don’t find the labyrinthine layout of the home as a compelling piece of evidence that an intruder couldn’t have done this.

I also use to to think it was insane that John didn’t know the basement window wasn’t fixed as a kid, but as an adult, I could see how as man a busy as him may not have realized it wasn’t fixed.

I believe the most “plausible” scenario in terms of the family is that Burke killed her on accident, and the family covered it up; but I don’t think Burke did it either. However, I don’t think Patsy killing her over soiling the bed or whatever is plausible—at all.

The most “damning” evidence in my estimation is the handwriting analysis of Patsy and the page coming from her notebook, but the handwriting analysis has been incredibly contested.

The police also made it like no one could’ve got in through that broken window and there would’ve been all kinds of debris from outside inside the basement (which is not necessarily true), and dumb shyt like cobwebs in the corners of the window.

I think it’s like 10% chance Burke killed her on mistake and a 90% chance that it was an intruder.

 

[re'up]

Watching the doc, it's pretty solid. Newer things like the layout of the house, visually explained, and the videos of the house really made an impact on me, in terms of the obviousness of what happened.

Boulder PD was out of their depth with this. They got tunnel vision and slipped up. Understandable, but this should have been solved, had they straight up handed this to the FBI.

They had like one murder a year in Boulder. A sexually motivated homicide like this was way way out of their depth.

 

[bigde09]

Boulder police completely botched the case as soon as they arrived. They let John move the dead body from where she was found and If I recall correctly, They let friends into the house AFTER the body was found. At that point it’s a crime scene. They didn’t tape off the house until later on. Complete fukk up on their part.

 

[Tres Leches]

from my understanding the Ramseys were away for hours at a party that day, the intruder couldve snuck in while they were away scoped the house found a good hideout and written the note ?



and nothing happened after they called the cops cause she was already dead anyway?



but to be honest i have no idea 50/50 intruder or some foul play from the family

 

[jaydawg08]

My wife is a therapist and immediately the part that swayed her thinking away from the Ramseys was the fact that none of the signs of something like this happened were present before or since

You dont simply graduate to strangling your daughter to death, and SA her without some levels of warning signs. But not a peep. No issues in the past, no signs from his previous kids, no big marital problems, etc.

I also got a big issue with people saying it’s the 9 year old son also, some of yall have not been around kids who are 9 years old and are under the delusion that if he would go to those lengths of killing her the way she was killed

I got sympathy for the family

Honestly me and my wife had a conversation and if anything were to happen to them in some cold blooded way, how I carry myself and walk around with very even calmness…. The police and others would think I’m a callous dude who is capable of it all because “I wouldn’t break out into hysterics”. That’s all these idiots on the internet got to go off of.

“He acted normal.. calm… he must have done it” when the vast majority of people have never been in a situation with around a dead body and don’t know how they’d react.

 

[re'up]

My wife is a therapist and immediately the part that swayed her thinking away from the Ramseys was the fact that none of the signs of something like this happened were present before or since

You dont simply graduate to strangling your daughter to death, and SA her without some levels of warning signs. But not a peep. No issues in the past, no signs from his previous kids, no big marital problems, etc.

I also got a big issue with people saying it’s the 9 year old son also, some of yall have not been around kids who are 9 years old and are under the delusion that if he would go to those lengths of killing her the way she was killed

I got sympathy for the family

Honestly me and my wife had a conversation and if anything were to happen to them in some cold blooded way, how I carry myself and walk around with very even calmness…. The police and others would think I’m a callous dude who is capable of it all because “I wouldn’t break out into hysterics”. That’s all these idiots on the internet got to go off of.

“He acted normal.. calm… he must have done it” when the vast majority of people have never been in a situation with around a dead body and don’t know how they’d react.

in the book, the FBI profiler, who is also an expert in behavioral psychology points at this. No indication of prior acts, nothing in the future. Nothing to indicate anything at all. America, for some twisted reason looked at the beauty pageants as evidence of something sordid, when beauty culture is a huge part of American culture.

 

[klutch2381]

John’s behavior also makes me think the family didn’t do it. Peep this: the Ramseys have won. Patsy is deceased, no one is coming to arrest Burke or John. However, people still think they had something to do with it. John could just sit back and die or whatever if the family was involved and no one would be the wiser. Yet, unlike people who say they are looking for the “real killers” when it’s likely they were involved, he’s still pushing the story: showing up to events, saying what police should be doing, doing interviews, documentaries, etc.

He’s extremely involved. He behaves like a man looking for the “real killers” despite people thinking the family killed JonBenet, him being 80 years old, and not in danger of imminent arrest. It makes no sense to keep pumping this story up if you killed her and covered it up—when the murder in general has always fostered a cloud of suspicion over you.

The only way it makes sense is if John really doesn’t know that Patsy or Burke killed her (and covered it up without his knowledge), but I don’t believe that. The other way it makes sense is if they really had nothing to do with it.

 

[valet]

Wow, I've worked with pedos in the juvenile detention and I'll never understand them. That recording was crazy though. Ngga was in love with her

 

[re'up]

A nine year fashioning a garrotte is out of the question. Then you have to say, well, "our son killed our daughter, lets make a garrotte out of a paintbrush, wrap it around her neck, sexually abuse her, then we can write a fukking crazy ransom note"

And these are 50 year old people who aren't criminals.

Then, we will wait WITH THE POLICE for a few hours, with our daughter dead in the basement.

it's laughable.

 

[levitate]

You dont simply graduate to strangling your daughter to death

Ehhh, the one white dude a while back instantly graduated to strangling his wife and young daughters and throwing their bodies in a fukking oil well like garbage.

Y’all underestimate evil.

Watts family murders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Brehcepticon]

Pet theory: It was someone that knew the family, specifically John. Probably someone that was a close family friend.

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

I’ll say one more thing before leaving this thread. This was affluent rich ass white Boulder, Colorado. There is no way if there was a deranged killer extorting families under the guise of a domestic terrorist group that the Boulder PD would have just let the them leave and not have an interview for 4 months

It’s like the Idaho murders last year. It was crazy but as soon as the police said there was no public threat after 4 white kids got OJ’d up I already knew it was a play in motion and they had a suspect.

Boulder Police knew from day one the family was involved. Lowkey they were probably just happy they left and went back to GA

 

[jaydawg08]

Ehhh, the one white dude a while back instantly graduated to strangling his wife and young daughters and throwing their bodies in a fukking oil well like garbage.

Y’all underestimate evil.

Watts family murders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He also had been cheating on his wife and had been abusive towards her

There’s no legit arguments about JR doing any of those things with his wife or previous kids