Jon Stewart stays bringing the heat on gun crime statistics.

[Goat poster]

This is a “point” gun nuts use and it never stops being idiotic. First of all we could apply this dumb ass logic to any crime. Duh let’s not have any laws against murder because people are going to murder anyway! Secondly after the initial ban on assault rifles guess what? Shootings went down. In Australia there was a mass murder and the country came together to ban assault rifles and guess what? No mass shooting since. In fact numerous countries tightened gun laws and now their gun violence is very different from the US. More can be found here:

Other Countries Had Mass Shootings. Then They Changed Their Gun Laws. (Published 2022)

Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Norway: All had a culture of gun ownership, and all tightened restrictions anyway. Their violence statistics now diverge sharply from those of the U.S.

www.nytimes.com

Finally studies show that before a gun is used in self defense it’s more likely to be used in a suicide, domestic violence, a toddler finding and hurting themselves or others etc.

Gun nuts have no valid arguments for why we need a country awash in guns given how much carnage they cause in the US - far more than any other developed nation.

Instead of their bullshyt arguments which are easily debunked I wish they’d just say “hey I feel like a big man with my gun. I just looove feeling manly that way and I don’t give a fuuuuck about anything else”. At least that’s honest.

TRUTH

America is a sick place...

The second amendment was a HUGE mistake.

And this is coming from someone who has owned guns and isn't "Anti-guns" at all.

Suggesting any type of rational regulation makes these people go into a rage...

 

[saturn7]

This is a “point” gun nuts use and it never stops being idiotic. First of all we could apply this dumb ass logic to any crime. Duh let’s not have any laws against murder because people are going to murder anyway! Secondly after the initial ban on assault rifles guess what? Shootings went down. In Australia there was a mass murder and the country came together to ban assault rifles and guess what? No mass shooting since. In fact numerous countries tightened gun laws and now their gun violence is very different from the US. More can be found here:

Other Countries Had Mass Shootings. Then They Changed Their Gun Laws. (Published 2022)

Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Norway: All had a culture of gun ownership, and all tightened restrictions anyway. Their violence statistics now diverge sharply from those of the U.S.

www.nytimes.com

Finally studies show that before a gun is used in self defense it’s more likely to be used in a suicide, domestic violence, a toddler finding and hurting themselves or others etc.

Gun nuts have no valid arguments for why we need a country awash in guns given how much carnage they cause in the US - far more than any other developed nation.

Instead of their bullshyt arguments which are easily debunked I wish they’d just say “hey I feel like a big man with my gun. I just looove feeling manly that way and I don’t give a fuuuuck about anything else”. At least that’s honest.

I addressed that dumb ass argument already. No firearm support ever suggested abolishing laws against murder or violent crimes. Horrible example.

Most gun crimes were not committed with long guns or "assault rifles". Even when that law was in effect semi-automatic rifles (what you would call and assault rifle) were still legal. And again, criminals don't follow the fukking law. If a gang member or bank robber wants to shoot up a place with an automatic AK-47 that stupid law wasn't going to stop them.

Do you remember this shootout in California. What law was in effect at this time?





"Finally studies show that before a gun is used in self defense it’s more likely to be used in a suicide, domestic violence, a toddler finding and hurting themselves or others etc."

Individuals have to be responsible with their firearms. You want Big Brother to protect people from everything. That is not possible.

"Gun nuts have no valid arguments for why we need a country awash in guns given how much carnage they cause in the US - far more than any other developed nation."

It is YOU have no valid arguments, just emotions. The 2A is law. You don't like it you have the option to move to Canada or anywhere else.

In the United States of America your NATURAL right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED by the state or Federal government.

 

[saturn7]

Quick question homie:

I'm gonna assume you are at least reasonable enough to believe that operating a vehicle should come with a license right?

I mean lives are at stake when a person gets behind a wheel unskilled right?



So why should something as serious as gun ownership not come with mandatory training and licensing?

Yes, Yes and NO.

And there is no Federal requirement. States may impose requirements, which I don't mind, as long as they are not excessive (which the laws in New York were as ruled by the SC).


The mentality is just different. Yall seem to love to have to beg for your RIGHTS from the government.
I suggest some of yall read the SC decision on the NY State Rifle and Pistol Association vs. Bruen.
it might change your perspective a little bit.

 

[King Static X]

So everyone else has to give up their rights because criminals won't stop committing crimes? Yeah, nah...
A bad kid hits another kid with a stick, I take the stick and punish the kid. I don't ban kids from the park.

Give up what rights? No one (outside of a small fringe group) is calling for all guns to be banned.

Guns would still be legal to purchase just with more regulations.

 

[Prodyson]

The constitution gives all Americans the right to bear arms in the CASE OF A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT. Their words, not mine.

Allowing the govt to tell you to give up guns when they originally gave the right to bear arms incase they ever became tyrannical is an oxymoron. And criminals committing crimes never should affect the rights or privileges of law abiding citizens.

I NEVER said anything about giving up guns and my comment you’re quoting doesn’t say that either. If you’re going to comment on my post you should either try to understand what I wrote, and if you’re not sure you should probably go back and read my other comments for context.

Saying that we shouldn’t treat guns like necessities is not the same as taking guns away from people.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Give up what rights? No one (outside of a small fringe group) is calling for all guns to be banned.

Guns would still be legal to purchase just with more regulations.

There already are regulations...
The only gun regulation I support is universal background checks.

 

[King Static X]

There already are regulations...
The only gun regulation I support is universal background checks.

In many states (particularly conservative/Republican ones), there are minimal regulations. That's not good; there should be more stringent regulations.

Gun permits and licenses should be mandated in every state; closing gun show loopholes and red flag laws should be implemented in every state; and documented mentally ill people shouldn't be able to purchase guns in any state. Also, yes, universal background checks, as you said.

 

[Prodyson]

I hope you are young, no excuse to be this naive.

If an emergency happens and the police is not around to protect then a firearm will be a survival necessity. You never know what the future holds, better to be prepared in all areas and that includes Defense.

Again with the fantasies but I'll play along. If you waved your magic wand and all guns disappeared WEAPONS would still exist.
Human beings who have the intent to harm others would still exist. Violence wouldn't magically stop. Humans were killing each other long before guns existed.

"I also never mentioned what people SHOULD HAVE. You pulled that one out of your ass. That’s twice now you’ve made up shyt to make a terrible point."

Bull fukking shyt you little wanna be dictator.

"I don’t give a damn if it takes a little extra effort to buy a gun, especially if it’s not a basic handgun or shotgun for home protection. Most people don’t beed anything other than one or two pistols."

You want to dictate the type and quantity of firearms people can own.

also didn’t blame companies for anything… so that makes three. But in a country where gun violence runs rampant, someone has to be regulated… and manufacturers and weapons contractors probably have the most direct control that could make a difference.

You did blame the companies, fukk your semantics!! How is wanting them to be held liable for something the did legally NOT blaming the company!!!

You think you are slick. You are a POS trying to worm your way out of your awful arguments by doing this semantics bullshyt.

As I said before these companies are already regulated, firearms tracked and given serial numbers and FFL's get audited by the Feds. Once the weapon is made and sold it is not the manufacturers responsibility what a person does. Why do yall hate personal responsibility so much? You sound like you want the government to be your mommy and daddy.

The government can't prevent everything bad from happening. People make choices, life happens. Laws alone can't fix everything.


"I do have a couple of imperfect ideas for gun regulations but I would never propose them to someone like you (I have mentioned them on this site though) because you can’t see past your own nose to have a reasonable discussion about the pros and cons. You don’t want a solution, you just want your guns."

Mention you bullshyt ideas, like i said before I'm sure they have already been proven to be un-constitutional or ineffective.

This is my last response to you.

1. You’re still showing a lack of understanding of necessity “for life.” Are guns useful in today’s society? When you’re enemy has guns? Absolutely. But that doesn’t make them a necessity for life. With that said, I do think individuals should maintain their right to own guns, I just don’t think we should treat the sale and purchase of guns like they’re necessities.

2. I never said that if we got rid of guns that violence would disappear. It’s like you love making shyt up to argue against when you don’t have anything to refute my statement. It was a point to prove guns aren’t a necessity for life. In comparison, if we got rid of water or food people would die (yes that’s an extreme example).

3. Just because I want to target companies for regulations doesn’t mean I blame them for gun violence. I just believe that targeting them is the most effective way to curb gun violence, as opposed to targeting individuals (see criminals) and retailers. I care more about public safety than I do about unfettered capitalism, so if a company’s bottom line suffers to save lives, I’m OK with that. I don’t blame gun manufacturers for gun violence anymore than I blame car manufacturers for people speeding or driving drunk.

4. I don’t think you know what semantics is. You’re confusing your lack of understanding of my arguments as semantics.

5. You calling my ideas bullshyt before I’ve said anything is proof enough that there’s no reason for me to even present them to you. You’ve already made up your mind before I’ve said anything to you.

 

[saturn7]

This is my last response to you.

1. You’re still showing a lack of understanding of necessity “for life.” Are guns useful in today’s society? When you’re enemy has guns? Absolutely. But that doesn’t make them a necessity for life. With that said, I do think individuals should maintain their right to own guns, I just don’t think we should treat the sale and purchase of guns like they’re necessities.

2. I never said that if we got rid of guns that violence would disappear. It’s like you love making shyt up to argue against when you don’t have anything to refute my statement. It was a point to prove guns aren’t a necessity for life. In comparison, if we got rid of water or food people would die (yes that’s an extreme example).

3. Just because I want to target companies for regulations doesn’t mean I blame them for gun violence. I just believe that targeting them is the most effective way to curb gun violence, as opposed to targeting individuals (see criminals) and retailers. I care more about public safety than I do about unfettered capitalism, so if a company’s bottom line suffers to save lives, I’m OK with that. I don’t blame gun manufacturers for gun violence anymore than I blame car manufacturers for people speeding or driving drunk.

4. I don’t think you know what semantics is. You’re confusing your lack of understanding of my arguments as semantics.

5. You calling my ideas bullshyt before I’ve said anything is proof enough that there’s no reason for me to even present them to you. You’ve already made up your mind before I’ve said anything to you.

I am absolutely not. Yes guns are a necessity. They can be used for more than self-defense. People hunt with guns and can provide food for themselves with them. In an an emergency situation guns are a necessity. You are very naive and closed minded. Everyone doesn't live like you. Who are you to tell people what is necessary for them to live?

You absolutely did say all the shyt I called you on, no matter how indirect.

Make your proposals. What gun laws do you want that we don't already have and we'll discuss if those fantasy proposals will actually change anything.

There is an expectation that adults will be reasonable and responsible. When they don't there are consequences. When you break the law there are consequences. What more do you want??

Not everyone wants the government to hold their hands through life.
Bad things happen in life. Making law after law doesn't prevent that.

 

[Prodyson]

I am absolutely not. Yes guns are a necessity. They can be used for more than self-defense. People hunt with guns and can provide food for themselves with them. In an an emergency situation guns are a necessity. You are very naive and closed minded. Everyone doesn't live like you. Who are you to tell people what is necessary for them to live?

You absolutely did say all the shyt I called you on, no matter how indirect.

Make your proposals. What gun laws do you want that we don't already have and we'll discuss if those fantasy proposals will actually change anything.

There is an expectation that adults will be reasonable and responsible. When they don't there are consequences. When you break the law there are consequences. What more do you want??

Not everyone wants the government to hold their hands through life.
Bad things happen in life. Making law after law doesn't prevent that.

If I said it, quote it.

 

[Mowgli]

Jon Stewart is a hoe.

 

[At30wecashout]

No lies told. Its not unlike my Chicago's current issue of migrants. They got sent here from red states. They stay exporting bullshyt and then chiding folks for it.

 

[Rembrandt]

To buy and actual killing device all I gotta do is drive to Indiana and give some good 'ole boy $350 for a lightly used M4 and I'm good to go.

shyt, you can come here and pay me and I'll get it lol.

Easy as shyt to get a gun here. Can buy one in a pawn shop with just a quick check to see if you're good. If not, hit a gun show. If not that, they're not exactly hard to find. At least pistols. Shotguns, ARs, etc will probably be through a gun show or a knowing someone that knows someone selling them.

And we also got rid of the license to carry so as long as you're not a violent felon or have anything barring you (I think some Domestic Violence and something else if escalated can bar you), you can with some finesse get a gun the same day with no license and carry that bytch everywhere.

Kinda insane our crime rate, while bad, is still super segregated and most people aren't in danger at all. Though I'm assuming basically letting circle centre mall downtown die, close a bunch of the big popular wild bars downtown and basically killing malls outside of castleton and it's outside mall also helped. Even greenwood Park Mall is dying and that's out south. No big stores and the biggest/most popular shrunk so it's just von maur and Macy's.

Pre and post shooting - that shyt is dead.

 

[StatUS]

Dudes love guns more than food and water

You shouldn't need more than a shotty or hunting rifle.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Dudes love guns more than food and water

You shouldn't need more than a shotty or hunting rifle.

That's my point. At MOST a pistol/shotgun for home or personal protection. And even those should be HARD TO GET. But Pandora's box been opened since the 80's ain't no going back now.