Jon Moxley (Dean Ambrose) tells all on Chris Jericho's podcast

[LastManStanding]

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Vince "IT'S SUCH GOOD shyt!" McMahon!

The label "cokeboy" really starting to come into the light

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Yeah most definitely. But when wrestling was at its best, you gave guys bullet points and let them sink or swim. You can still have someone with their eye on the ball for long term shyt. But when you overproduce wrestlers and have them staying things they wouldn't say to an audience that doesn't care, who are serving here? Give me bullet points of what you want me to get across (which goes back to the main story) and let me go. They have a performance center where they teach you to talk, meaning most shouldn't come up to the main roster having no clue how to talk or needing someone to script shyt for them

You can't do shyt like it used to be in 2019, with $100 million dollar TV contracts and sponsors and shyt. It's just a different world.

As far as the scripts go don't you think it would be better if they got a script on let's say.. Friday, to give them 3 days to prepare for RAW? Just as an example. Part of the reason the shyt sounds so hectic from what Ambrose said is cuz the shyt is literally happening in a span of like 2 hours on one day because it gets re-written 20 times. So you give a script of stupid shyt from the brain of a 70-year-old cokehead to someone who has to try to make sense of it within the next hour and perform it on TV. No actor in the world has to be under those kind of conditions, you get a script weeks/months in advance to prepare.

 

[MartyMcFly]

You can't do shyt like it used to be in 2019, with $100 million dollar TV contracts and sponsors and shyt. It's just a different world.

As far as the scripts go don't you think it would be better if they got a script on let's say.. Friday, to give them 3 days to prepare for RAW? Just as an example. Part of the reason the shyt sounds so hectic from what Ambrose said is cuz the shyt is literally happening in a span of like 2 hours on one day because it gets re-written 20 times. So you give a script of stupid shyt from the brain of a 70-year-old cokehead to someone who has to try to make sense of it within the next hour and perform it on TV. No actor in the world has to be under those kind of conditions, you get a script weeks/months in advance to prepare.

Yes it’s a different world. But you find a way to make a method work for your environment. One that enables creativity and keeps the talent happy. While also making it easier on everyone. That normally leads to a better product which leads to better ratings which makes all parties involved happy.

Your example you gave is exactly why the shyt doesn’t work. Because wrestling is such a day of thing and changes on the fly, you can’t be that prepped with it. You can have an outline but the blanks should be filled in as you go because shyt changes. Even on Hollywood sets, producers say all the time that a script is just an outline. You get on set and you improvise or you change because of the elements or things out of your control. Or because someone had a better idea.

Trying to take the same methods that Hollywood does is asinine for them. They don’t get to do reshoots. Or another take. Or edit in post. The shyt is live tv and the audience in the building, along with those of us at home, can sense it’s fake. There’s no authenticity to anything in the product now. Every promo is basically the same, five or take a few. Every match is basically the same. Every show is basically the same.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Yes it’s a different world. But you find a way to make a method work for your environment. One that enables creativity and keeps the talent happy. While also making it easier on everyone. That normally leads to a better product which leads to better ratings which makes all parties involved happy.

Your example you gave is exactly why the shyt doesn’t work. Because wrestling is such a day of thing and changes on the fly, you can’t be that prepped with it. You can have an outline but the blanks should be filled in as you go because shyt changes. Even on Hollywood sets, producers say all the time that a script is just an outline. You get on set and you improvise or you change because of the elements or things out of your control. Or because someone had a better idea.

Trying to take the same methods that Hollywood does is asinine for them. They don’t get to do reshoots. Or another take. Or edit in post. The shyt is live tv and the audience in the building, along with those of us at home, can sense it’s fake. There’s no authenticity to anything in the product now. Every promo is basically the same, five or take a few. Every match is basically the same. Every show is basically the same.

I hate when the “it’s 2019, you can’t do that” excuse comes up, as if there isn’t any compelling interesting nationally broadcasted things on, which also have sponsors. The WWE has simply set their audience to non-attention span having kids, and Vince himself.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

I hate when the “it’s 2019, you can’t do that” excuse comes up, as if there isn’t any compelling interesting nationally broadcasted things on, which also have sponsors. The WWE has simply set their audience to non-attention span having kids, and Vince himself.

It's [current year] is such a lazy damn argument, anyway. Basic storytelling methods don't just magically disappear.

Wrestling isn't rocket science, but Vince McMahon makes it rocket science because he's a micromanger. The only reason there's even a WWE today is because of Vince letting guys like Austin, Rock, etc. do their thing.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Yes it’s a different world. But you find a way to make a method work for your environment. One that enables creativity and keeps the talent happy. While also making it easier on everyone. That normally leads to a better product which leads to better ratings which makes all parties involved happy.

Your example you gave is exactly why the shyt doesn’t work. Because wrestling is such a day of thing and changes on the fly, you can’t be that prepped with it. You can have an outline but the blanks should be filled in as you go because shyt changes. Even on Hollywood sets, producers say all the time that a script is just an outline. You get on set and you improvise or you change because of the elements or things out of your control. Or because someone had a better idea.

Trying to take the same methods that Hollywood does is asinine for them. They don’t get to do reshoots. Or another take. Or edit in post. The shyt is live tv and the audience in the building, along with those of us at home, can sense it’s fake. There’s no authenticity to anything in the product now. Every promo is basically the same, five or take a few. Every match is basically the same. Every show is basically the same.

Yeah, like, the biggest franchise in movie history was started with Iron Man...a movie that literally had NO script and was 90% improvised. A great deal of comedy movies are built on improvisation.

 

[Jmare007]

Which is why he’s taxing everyone now. Sasha wants out? Extend her another 30 days. Luke and the good brothers want out? Extend them another 60 days

I hope none of them signed anything because if they did and THEN listened to this podcast they are gonna lose their shyt at how bad they played things.

 

[Jmare007]

Another curious thing is that the Shield guys were the closest thing to a new "Kliq" in terms of being very close with management, having their ear and at least as a unit, being able to have as much creative control as possible.

I figured that if there would come a day that WWE started to go to shyt and the opportunity arose for a group of guys to step in and pretty much begin to shape things as they liked, it would've been Seth and Dean.

Now that Moxley is gone. I wonder who would take that chance, specially now that it seems inevitable that by November/December there's gonna be a lot of panic in WWE - TV ratings with FOX, AEW making buzz with literally anything they come up with in TNT and Mania season a couple of months away - and there's gonna be an opportunity for a a group of people to get in Vince's ear and try to "fix" things and get more involved with creative.

I know Zayn is known to be a pain in the ass because he's always trying to get involved, but I don't see Cokeboy giving a flying fukk about what he has to say no matter how much panic there might be maybe the an Owens/New Day/Seth Rollins combination?


BTW, I'm not saying that this would be necessarily good for WWE's product. But that I can see that scenario happening now and it's interesting to theorize who on the roster would try to step up.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Another curious thing is that the Shield guys were the closest thing to a new "Kliq" in terms of being very close with management, having their ear and at least as a unit, being able to have as much creative control as possible.

I figured that if there would come a day that WWE started to go to shyt and the opportunity arose for a group of guys to step in and pretty much begin to shape things as they liked, it would've been Seth and Dean.

Now that Moxley is gone. I wonder who would take that chance, specially now that it seems inevitable that by November/December there's gonna be a lot of panic in WWE - TV ratings with FOX, AEW making buzz with literally anything they come up with in TNT and Mania season a couple of months away - and there's gonna be an opportunity for a a group of people to get in Vince's ear and try to "fix" things and get more involved with creative.

I know Zayn is known to be a pain in the ass because he's always trying to get involved, but I don't see Cokeboy giving a flying fukk about what he has to say no matter how panic there might be maybe the a New Day/Seth Rollins combination?

Vince barely listens to the writers or anyone else behind the scenes, what makes you think he'll listen to any of the guys on the roster?

 

[LastManStanding]

WWE actually does pay their writers well

(currently an average of $96,000 per year)
World Wrestling Entertainment Creative Writer Salaries | Paysa

but even with all of the big TV deal money coming in, what's the point of having 30 of them? that's almost $3 million dollars in writers salaries that are borderline useless. Vince is basically paying them to do "busy work" all week long and maybe 10% of what THEY come up with will actually get used

and even with the type of revenue WWE generates, $3 million dollars is still $3 million dollars and they're essentially just wasting it.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I'm on the first couple pages of this thread and it's already

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Yes it’s a different world. But you find a way to make a method work for your environment. One that enables creativity and keeps the talent happy. While also making it easier on everyone. That normally leads to a better product which leads to better ratings which makes all parties involved happy.

Your example you gave is exactly why the shyt doesn’t work. Because wrestling is such a day of thing and changes on the fly, you can’t be that prepped with it. You can have an outline but the blanks should be filled in as you go because shyt changes. Even on Hollywood sets, producers say all the time that a script is just an outline. You get on set and you improvise or you change because of the elements or things out of your control. Or because someone had a better idea.

Trying to take the same methods that Hollywood does is asinine for them. They don’t get to do reshoots. Or another take. Or edit in post. The shyt is live tv and the audience in the building, along with those of us at home, can sense it’s fake. There’s no authenticity to anything in the product now. Every promo is basically the same, five or take a few. Every match is basically the same. Every show is basically the same.

Bolded is why you can't have nikkas out there going off the dome...you don't get a re-do. So I understand why WWE wants it scripted as much as possible.

You are right some ppl don't need that... but some do. Like I said I think the process WWE uses now is wrong, but I do think the idea of having scripts and letting the writer and wrestler work on it together is a good idea.

 

[LastManStanding]

ESPN
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Forbes
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Jon Moxley - Formerly Dean Ambrose - Rips WWE, Vince McMahon

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Even Vince's favorites get terrible booking and are given awful material. The corny idea of using a briefcase as a boombox was probably from Vince.

Vince prolly don't know what a boombox is