BobbyWojak
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If he got 2 rings one of these Kobe stans would assassinate him before he's even allowed in the conversation.
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Jokic would have 5-6 rings if he played with Wade,Bosh,KD, Klay etc…
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If he got 2 rings one of these Kobe stans would assassinate him before he's even allowed in the conversation.
MPJ and Murray never being all stars while Mo Williams and Ilgauskas were is more indicative of how meaningless all star nods are for anyone who isn’t a bonafied superstar. Do not sit there and tell me with a straight face you taking Mo and Big Z over those two
The Jokic has no all star teammates argument is the biggest bullshyt in sports.
I was halfway
with the ASG point. That's why I said Fun Fact 
My point was that I disagree with the notion that Bron would have multiple championships if he had the roster Joker had. He wouldn't.
Take an 18 year old Bron and place him on the Nuggets in 2015. Go back and look at that roster. From 2015 to 2022, as Bron's career progresses what year would he win with that year's Nugget team considering the flaws they had then?
Denver took time to come together. Murray and MPJ missed alot of time. They had to make moves to build around Joker. 2023 was the first time everything came to fruition.
YaThreadTrashB!
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Just shows how incredibly weak the east was at that timeMPJ and Murray never being all stars while Mo Williams and Ilgauskas were is more indicative of how meaningless all star nods are for anyone who isn’t a bonafied superstar. Do not sit there and tell me with a straight face you taking Mo and Big Z over those two
The Jokic has no all star teammates argument is the biggest bullshyt in sports.
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KANG LIFE
I'd like to entertain this
But I can't give Joker credit for Murray being slept on and constantly disrespected.
no doubt.
i'm trying to see how Murray can even get an All Star Bid soon
you still got
SGA
Steph
DBook
Antman
Luka (they got him at G/F)
Flex Grossman
Funky
On the flipside, bron met with the nuggets back in that offseason he signed with the lakers. Breh couldve been working on ring #8 this year but he wanted to make space jam 2 instead.
Trojan 24
Veteran
I've already claimed he the GOAT since Jordan, we don't care. Kobe the Streets GOAT
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KANG LIFE
Yea sucks for dude cause he's so underrated
But also plays in a STACKED west as far as guards
If they keep Luka at forward, then maybe Murray slides in on Steph's spot in a year or two, but Steph still playing at a high level and he's Steph.
People talking about top 10 and 15 can't see the forest from the trees 
I see the heavy coping already starting from certain fanbases who deep down know he will be in that top 2 convo at this current pace for another 4-5 years.
I see the heavy coping already starting from certain fanbases who deep down know he will be in that top 2 convo at this current pace for another 4-5 years.
He rises in playoff but he not disrespected for not makin all star. He never had a regular season in his career that deserved all star spot.
He in same conference wit SGA, Luka, Steph, Fox, Dame (before this season), Ant, Booker, Ja you can say guard is stacked but it been that for a long time and he just not on that level.
If Murray wasn't playin wit Jokic and if he had to be a number 1 that team is in the lotto maybe even 15 seed. How much better is Murray than a Zach Lavine and how much does playin wit Jokic elevate his game? Jokic made nikkas like Monte Morris and Will Barton look like starters lol playin wit him just so easy for a guard. Imagine if any of those true star guards played beside Jokic how would they look?
SGA and Jokic? Fox and Jokic? Ant .. Steph? Murray shootin 37% so far this series and they up 2-0 lol nikka got it made
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IIVI
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A big difference is Jokic's off-ball game. Dude is great working with Murray who is way underrated and has some incredible chemistry with Jokic.
Murray is 6'4 PG with court vision, BBIQ and shoots 40% 3P. That's an ideal pairing for Jokic.
The only thing holding that guy back are injuries. The only thing that matters though is being healthy for the play-offs.
I didn't even think he was that tall because he's so nimble.
Jokic and KD would be straight up unfair.
Murray is 6'4 PG with court vision, BBIQ and shoots 40% 3P. That's an ideal pairing for Jokic.
The only thing holding that guy back are injuries. The only thing that matters though is being healthy for the play-offs.
I didn't even think he was that tall because he's so nimble.
Jokic and KD would be straight up unfair.
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Roger king
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Give him prime shaq to ride his coattails and he wins 7 straightGive him Wade and Bosh and he running off 5 straight
Yup. This was what I was thinking after last year's playoff run: Packed up Gobert, Kat, KD, Book, LeBron, AD, Butler, Bam.
And I mentioned it last night: Jokic doesn't have an all nba 1st team (or any team) co star or former superstar.
Shaq benefited from having prime Kobe then Wade in a weak center era with Hakeem/Robinson/Ewing all flabby or retired. Dominating Todd McCullochs.
Kareem went from Oscar Robinson to prime Magic Johnson + a superteam for a decade.
We dont have to get into LeBron's help. Still a long way to go but Jokic gonna be on some top 15' ish conversations this summer if he gets it done again this year.