Jokic is really about to be a 3peat MVP

[Han Yolo]

Jokic first MVP season - 60 eFG% and 64 TS%
Jokic second MVP season - 62 eFG% and 66 TS%
Jokic this season - 66 eFG% and 70 TS%.

He's exceeded his scoring efficiency every season over the last three years, where no other high-volume scorer MVP candidate is even in the vicinity. Just to put it into perspective of how efficient he's been from the field this season -

Embiid - 56 eFG%
Luka - 56 eFG%
Giannis - 56 eFG%
Tatum - 54 eFG%.

Jokic- 66 eFG%.

Look at how the other candidates' efficiency are almost identical to one another, then you look at Jokic's whose efficiency is in a world of its own. We're not talking about it being a couple of percentage points higher, we're talking 10+% higher. And that's just scoring - that's before we take into account his playmaking where he's creating more scoring opportunities for his teammates than every single other player.

He's having a season where he's essentially the best of both worlds [scoring and playmaking].

66 eFG% and 70 TS% is absolutely insane. Just to put this in perspective, Curry's unanimous MVP year had him at 63 eFG% and 67 TS%

 

[Brandsdale]

so then just give it to Jokic till 2027?


cause based on all these %s, literally no one is gonna be as efficient so long as Denver remains a top 3 seed

 

[Bop Gun]

Meh, getting Assists from passing out to guys standing at the 3-Point Line all game is nothing to brag about.

In today's undersized League, it's easy for a dedicated Big Man who plays in the paint to get 20 and 10. The Assists are negligible at that point.

All that just to get trounced in the Playoffs again. Jokic is a piece, not your #1 Option. On Boston he is easily 3, Milwaukee 2, Phoenix 3 (2 prior to KD), Dallas 2, Philly 3, Memphis 2, OKC 2, Both LA teams a #2 Option.

Don't understand the hype.

 

[Braman]

This typically has happened because the best players in the past weren’t struggling to hit 60+ games played like they are now. The biggest factor in jokic winning these mvps has been him being a tank that’s hardly playing less than 70

This is a great point. Although I’d make it less kudos to jokic (bc simply playing games isn’t an anomaly, its supposed to be the norm), and more of a slight to other stars. Stars missing (sitting out) games is what’s opened the door for Jokic

Jokic fans want to believe he’s done something we’ve never seen. He hasnt. (Except this year). Great players have put up gaudy numbers for ages and NOT won mvp, bc mvp is almost always given to best player on one of the 2 or 3 best teams. Jordan averaged 37 and didn’t win mvp. Averaged 32,8, and 8 when near triple doubles weren’t prevalent. Didnt win mvp . It went to Magic with a slightly lesser stat line but clearly better team

So historically, this year would be Jokic’s. Bc they are a 1 seed and/or will be close to it. Last year they were a fukking 6 seed It would have been Ja morant but he misses like 30 games. The year before would have been Embiid but he misses 20 games. That’s why Jokic with 3 straight doesn’t make sense

 

[nightwing2016]

Meh, getting Assists from passing out to guys standing at the 3-Point Line all game is nothing to brag about.

In today's undersized League, it's easy for a dedicated Big Man who plays in the paint to get 20 and 10. The Assists are negligible at that point.

All that just to get trounced in the Playoffs again. Jokic is a piece, not your #1 Option. On Boston he is easily 3, Milwaukee 2, Phoenix 3 (2 prior to KD), Dallas 2, Philly 3, Memphis 2, OKC 2, Both LA teams a #2 Option.

Don't understand the hype.

Jokic gets his assists from all over the court. Man makes every pass the game has seen, it is disingenuous to say all his assists are from kick outs

 

[#1 pick]

The Nuggets have a +24.3 net rating differential when Jokic is on the floor compared to off. For comparison’s sake, that’s a bigger difference than the 2017 Warriors and this year’s Spurs (+21.6)

That’s on top of averaging a 25 point triple double on insane efficiency and his team having the 3rd best record in the league

This season is actually Jokic’s best case for MVP if I’m gonna be honest

If folks want him to get voted against just because they’re mad their favorite player didn’t get 3 in a row that’s their business, and tbh if I had a ballot I’d put Tatum but speaking unbiasedly, he’s the guy.

This is bullshyt. Trae Young used to have this shyt in his favor on offense but that was because the backup PGs was always trash on offense so it made his shyt look beastly. His shyt wasn't looking like this with Plumlee

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Y'all keyboard militants ready for this one?

It was always going to be difficult for Nikola Jokic to win another MVP this season even if he played like the best player in basketball once again. No one has won three straight NBA MVPs since Larry Bird did it from 1984-86, in part because the voters typically have a desire to create new narratives by crowning a different winner. It appears that’s playing out again in the early part of this season: when ESPN’s Tim Bontemps asked 100 NBA writers to cast a mid-Dec. MVP ballot, only one person voted Jokic first for MVP. The voter fatigue really must be real, because as the season turns to 2023, a more emotionless measure like Basketball-Reference’s MVP Tracker currently gives Jokic a 44 percent chance to win MVP this season once again.

This was a straw poll taken near the end of December among 100 NBA writers -

Notice how nearly a third into the season that only ONE person of the media actually gave Jokic a 1st place vote. Only ONE person. Now, how could y'all claim that there's some inherent bias or no voter fatigue in play when here Jokic is looked at among 100 media personnel as a mere footnote in the MVP race? You know what he's done to change the media's view of his MVP case? He's played at a level and dragged his team to a record where it's made it impossible for them to deny just how valuable he's been this season.

Jokic wasn't even in the conversation for MVP coming into the 2021 season (you'll barely find the media speaking about him)
Jokic wasn't even in the conversation for MVP coming into the 2022 season (you'll barely find the media speaking about him)
Jokic wasn't even in the conversation for MVP coming into the 2023 season (you'll barely find the media speaking about him).

He hasn't even been listed as one of the main favorites in any of the last three years, preseason. The media barely even mentioned him in each of his last two MVP years over the initial stages of the season, largely due to the fact he's one of the least marketable stars and he plays in Denver. He's had to force his way into the discussion for each of the last three seasons. If there's a star in the league who hasn't benefited from media bias - it's him.

The funny thing about all this is, the white player that you could argue has benefitted from some form of media bias is Luka. He's been listed as the MVP favorite(s) coming into each of the last three years, been constantly promoted as the league's next superstar and as the face of the league, and yet strangely enough, ends up being forgotten in the MVP race as each season has gone on.

 

[#1 pick]

Thank you. They dogged Giannis out for not going to the finals after winning two MVPs and said they wouldn't give him another because he didn't deserve it since he didn't go to the finals in previous years he won the MVP. Then on top it of they gave Jokic the MVP last year stating the reason was how he kept his team afloat due to injuries. Yet this year Giannis been keeping the Bucks afloat tied with the best record in the league with Middleton out and Giannis doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell winning the MVP this year.

These clown ass writers kill me. Fools want to play dumb now, but many of the same writers now were the ones fukking over people like Kobe, Lebron and Duncan out of awards in the late 2000s and early 2010s.

But like you, I knew the fix was in. The pattern of White NBA players winning three straight regular season MVPs is as predictable as NFL teams relocating and then suddenly going to the SuperBowl in under 6 years. Its fukking tried and true....if a white dude wins a regular season MVP they gonna give the next two MVPs to that same white player or another white player.

Happened in the 80s with Bird's 3 straight MVPs, Happened in the 2000s with Nash's two MVPs and then followed by Dirk's one MVP. Now in the 2020s Jokic is going to win 3 straight MVPs.

Only surprising thing is at the beginning of the season I thought Luka would be the one to win the MVP this year to close out the every 2 decades white playing winning three straight MVPs script.

Based on the usual time frame might as well get ready to bump this thread in the 2040s when some white kat or individual white kats wins 3 straight MVPs.

Bird was at least a Finals MVP, a champ and the best player in the NBA when he won a 3-peat. Jokic ain't none of that

 

[#1 pick]

Before the Thomas Bryant trade, the Nuggs had the worst backup centers in the NBA. It was as bad as Minnesota 2-guard depth issues.

 

[#1 pick]

I swear the criteria changes all the damn time

but Gill Scott was in here adding standards and stats into the equation (saying how Giannis true shooting is worse than his MVP years ). Isnt what Jokic doing similar to his other MVP years? I swear the league takes into account if you as a player exceeded your past statistics in order for you to be a front runner for the award. Tatum did that this year and Boston has held onto the league best record at all star break/past the midway point of the season. Getting an award for a standard you already accomplished previously would mean that Lebron should have damn near 7 MVP titles

MJ and LeBron would have all of the MVPs.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

so then just give it to Jokic till 2027?


cause based on all these %s, literally no one is gonna be as efficient so long as Denver remains a top 3 seed

I don't think it's as simple as that.

The thing that's weighing heavily in Jokic's favor right now is that his team is the #1 seed in the West when they haven't been before (with no other All-Star player). He's improved his MVP case over the last three years and there's naturally going to be a point where he can't improve it anymore, and voters will find reasons not to vote for him, no matter how great he's playing or how great his team's record is. Simply being the #1 seed in the West and putting up these otherworldly numbers won't be enough. It's just that he's been that good he keeps on staving off voter fatigue as being the final nail in his MVP coffin. Giannis didn't do that - he didn't elevate his play above his competition nor his team's record in 2021 when he could've three-peated.

And here's the thing, which I'm not directing at you specifically -

It's hilarious how much bullshyt folks will tell themselves in order to justify their biases.

The examples posted in here about a couple of voters not voting for Giannis because of "voter fatigue" are not even true to form. They're speaking about voter fatigue playing a part, in general. Lowe spoke about how the bar for three-peating for Giannis among voters is going to be "incredibly high", which is the exact same for Jokic. The difference is, Jokic's fat ass might not be to jump over a phonebook irl, but he's been able to jump over any bar that's set for him for MVP.

Which is why you have content like this -

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The most shameless part of all y'all running up in here arguing against Jokic is, I bet y'all only watch 2-3 Nuggets games all regular season. I don't see none of y'all in any threads talking about Nuggets games, and yet the moment there's some narrative y'all can bite your teeth into, you suddenly have all the answers.

Painfully transparent.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Meh, getting Assists from passing out to guys standing at the 3-Point Line all game is nothing to brag about.

In today's undersized League, it's easy for a dedicated Big Man who plays in the paint to get 20 and 10. The Assists are negligible at that point.

All that just to get trounced in the Playoffs again. Jokic is a piece, not your #1 Option. On Boston he is easily 3, Milwaukee 2, Phoenix 3 (2 prior to KD), Dallas 2, Philly 3, Memphis 2, OKC 2, Both LA teams a #2 Option.

Don't understand the hype.

Imagine thinking this dumb shyt, then typing it out, and then clicking Post Reply. Just a whole different level of lack of self-awareness.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

Let's also remember , this is the left-leaning liberal white guy media that runs the NBA.

The right-leaning conservative white guy media in the NFL are more balanced in how they hand out their MVP award.

 

[BigTyme Records]

Meh, getting Assists from passing out to guys standing at the 3-Point Line all game is nothing to brag about.

In today's undersized League, it's easy for a dedicated Big Man who plays in the paint to get 20 and 10. The Assists are negligible at that point.

All that just to get trounced in the Playoffs again. Jokic is a piece, not your #1 Option. On Boston he is easily 3, Milwaukee 2, Phoenix 3 (2 prior to KD), Dallas 2, Philly 3, Memphis 2, OKC 2, Both LA teams a #2 Option.

Don't understand the hype.

One of those worst post I’ve read in a while