Jokic is really about to be a 3peat MVP

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That MVP last year was disgraceful. The voters are essentially saying big man assists are worth gold and if that’s the case then why wouldn’t Jokic just win MVP every year?

It is a terrible look for the only 3 peat MVPs in league history to be white but at least Bird legitimately earned them.
They’re shameless with it. Then next year it’ll be 4 straight.
 

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That MVP last year was disgraceful. The voters are essentially saying big man assists are worth gold and if that’s the case then why wouldn’t Jokic just win MVP every year?

It is a terrible look for the only 3 peat MVPs in league history to be white but at least Bird legitimately earned them.

Russell & Wilt both won 3 straight
 

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That MVP last year was disgraceful. The voters are essentially saying big man assists are worth gold and if that’s the case then why wouldn’t Jokic just win MVP every year?

It is a terrible look for the only 3 peat MVPs in league history to be white but at least Bird legitimately earned them.
Russell and Wilt both 3 peated as MVP
 

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voter fatigue from 10-20-30 years ago doesnt necessarily mean the voters from today look at things the same way. clearly nash getting mvp's cleary became an agenda because theres no argument he had the best season in the league. is anybody in here really arguing that jokic doesnt have a mvp case.

voters change, the way they view things change, the same way we argued kobe/lebron getting screwed they changed their views and gave westbrook the mvp because they considered him to have the best individual season.


Read the thread, there are voters who cited "voter fatigue and he hasn't made a Finals" as the reason they didn't want to vote Giannis for a 3rd straight and some of those same voters are voting Jokic now.
 

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Well that’s the great thing about history, we don’t have to rely on my opinion or yours.


Go look for yourself. Back to back MVPs not only have rings, most win at least 1 ring in one of their MVP years. The only exceptions are Nash and Giannis. Giannis got his ring the year after. We know how Nash’ MVPs are viewed.

It ain’t a regular season award but it’s almost always validated by their postseason success. This is mostly true for MVPs in general, but it’s damn near unanimous for back to back mvps. Jokic is gonna be a THREE timer and he’s not even getting to conference finals. Insanity
This typically has happened because the best players in the past weren’t struggling to hit 60+ games played like they are now. The biggest factor in jokic winning these mvps has been him being a tank that’s hardly playing less than 70
 

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the voters havent been inconsistent in one regard since 2010. if you lead the league in win shares per 48, you win the mvp. giannis first 2 mvps he led the league in ws/48. the 3rd year he fell to 5th and played in 61 games, he didnt win. jokic has led the league the prior 2 years and hes running away with it again. the only 2 times since 2010 someone who led the league didnt win mvp they likely got punished for forming a superteam, lebron when he went to miami and kd when he went to gs. or you can go by bpm and the only player who led the league since 2010 and didnt win mvp was lebron when he went to miami. you can complain about the analytics crowd loving jokic but its the same standard theyve been using since at least 2010.

hypocrisy or dumb comments from individual voters should be called out but there isnt an example of someone getting screwed in recent history that applies to why jokic should be screwed or disqualified this year.
 

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Read the thread, there are voters who cited "voter fatigue and he hasn't made a Finals" as the reason they didn't want to vote Giannis for a 3rd straight and some of those same voters are voting Jokic now.
It's the exact same dudes lol. There hasn't been much shifting in the voters for a while. On top of that they get to control the narrative from all those podcasts etc. too lol.
 

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Except the same exact voters are literally on the record “seeing things the same way” citing “voter fatigue” and “can’t possibly vote for some one to be MVP three years running without even making it to the finals, let alone winning the chip” as reasons to not give it to other guys in the last couple seasons :heh:


They 100% see it that way, it just doesn’t apply to Jokic






The cabal of dweebs that make up the narratives every year that decides these awards do it in real time and push it to the rest of the media via their weekly podcasts …these dudes ARE the voters…they blatantly know they’re contradicting their own self made qualifications, LAUGH ABOUT IT …and keep it moving :mjlol:

I called Jokic was winning three straight a year ago, they dictate this shyt in plain sight

Thank you. They dogged Giannis out for not going to the finals after winning two MVPs and said they wouldn't give him another because he didn't deserve it since he didn't go to the finals in previous years he won the MVP. Then on top it of they gave Jokic the MVP last year stating the reason was how he kept his team afloat due to injuries. Yet this year Giannis been keeping the Bucks afloat tied with the best record in the league with Middleton out and Giannis doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell winning the MVP this year.

These clown ass writers kill me. Fools want to play dumb now, but many of the same writers now were the ones fukking over people like Kobe, Lebron and Duncan out of awards in the late 2000s and early 2010s.

But like you, I knew the fix was in. The pattern of White NBA players winning three straight regular season MVPs is as predictable as NFL teams relocating and then suddenly going to the SuperBowl in under 6 years. Its fukking tried and true....if a white dude wins a regular season MVP they gonna give the next two MVPs to that same white player or another white player.

Happened in the 80s with Bird's 3 straight MVPs, Happened in the 2000s with Nash's two MVPs and then followed by Dirk's one MVP. Now in the 2020s Jokic is going to win 3 straight MVPs.

Only surprising thing is at the beginning of the season I thought Luka would be the one to win the MVP this year to close out the every 2 decades white playing winning three straight MVPs script.

Based on the usual time frame might as well get ready to bump this thread in the 2040s when some white kat or individual white kats wins 3 straight MVPs.
 

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Quit lying you stupid bytch. Giannis made it out the first round both MVP years and made the conference Finals the first year. Only MVP flaming out in the first round is that fat fukk Jokic

Why doesn't this 'bad taste' shyt also apply to Jokic? Tim McMahon straight up said him and other voters weren't gonna give it to Giannis in 2021 because he hadn't won a title, so where's the consistency?

Tim McMahon always been a bytch never liked that hoe. And I agree with everything you said in this post.
 

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Well that’s the great thing about history, we don’t have to rely on my opinion or yours.


Go look for yourself. Back to back MVPs not only have rings, most win at least 1 ring in one of their MVP years. The only exceptions are Nash and Giannis. Giannis got his ring the year after. We know how Nash’ MVPs are viewed.

It ain’t a regular season award but it’s almost always validated by their postseason success. This is mostly true for MVPs in general, but it’s damn near unanimous for back to back mvps. Jokic is gonna be a THREE timer and he’s not even getting to conference finals. Insanity
Nothing posted disputes what I said or enlightens me to anything. I told you these players were on better teams. You're automatically conceding this when we haven't even had the All-Star Game and you're already telling me that the #1 seed in the West isn't going to make the Conference Finals insistently.

Jokic is on pace to possibly be the exception to this "rule". You will deal with it. The players you think are "supposed" to win will deal with it. With all the talent in the league, there's a chance people will succumb to this narrative and he likely will be capped at this 3peat. It'll be alright.
 
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I swear the criteria changes all the damn time

but Gill Scott was in here adding standards and stats into the equation (saying how Giannis true shooting is worse than his MVP years :ehh:). Isnt what Jokic doing similar to his other MVP years? I swear the league takes into account if you as a player exceeded your past statistics in order for you to be a front runner for the award.
Jokic first MVP season - 60 eFG% and 64 TS%
Jokic second MVP season - 62 eFG% and 66 TS%
Jokic this season - 66 eFG% and 70 TS%.

He's exceeded his scoring efficiency every season over the last three years, where no other high-volume scorer MVP candidate is even in the vicinity. Just to put it into perspective of how efficient he's been from the field this season -

Embiid - 56 eFG%
Luka - 56 eFG%
Giannis - 56 eFG%
Tatum - 54 eFG%.

Jokic- 66 eFG%.


Look at how the other candidates' efficiency are almost identical to one another, then you look at Jokic's whose efficiency is in a world of its own. We're not talking about it being a couple of percentage points higher, we're talking 10+% higher. And that's just scoring - that's before we take into account his playmaking where he's creating more scoring opportunities for his teammates than every single other player.

He's having a season where he's essentially the best of both worlds [scoring and playmaking].
 

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Well that’s the great thing about history, we don’t have to rely on my opinion or yours.


Go look for yourself. Back to back MVPs not only have rings, most win at least 1 ring in one of their MVP years. The only exceptions are Nash and Giannis. Giannis got his ring the year after. We know how Nash’ MVPs are viewed.

It ain’t a regular season award but it’s almost always validated by their postseason success. This is mostly true for MVPs in general, but it’s damn near unanimous for back to back mvps. Jokic is gonna be a THREE timer and he’s not even getting to conference finals. Insanity
What more do you want Jokic to do? You know there are other people on the team, right?
 
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