Joel Osteen: I'm not a poverty minister and being poor and broke....doesn't bring any honor to God
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cauliflower
Pro
Most pastors use the book as hustle that doesn't stop me from listening to the message which is all that matters.
Like a former drug addicted pastor once told me:
"get the meat and throw away the bones"
WHITE MAN YOU BETTER PREACH!
ABlackMan
Superstar
Maaaaaan if y’all nikkas don’t pick yourself up by your bootstraps damn! Poor broke and defeated it damn stink in this thread!
Prosperity gospel
Mammon worshippers disguised as men of God.
All the necessary truth was on the first page.
I've never seen any indication that he understands the Gospel or bases his life on the teachings of Christ. He's a prosperity gospel minister giving the exact same grifting motivational speeches that all motivational speakers give. Worse for the church than any atheist could dream of being.
You’re one of the few people that gets it. Most preachers are non-believers (particularly prosperity gospel preachers). It was always plainly clear to me that people like Credflo Dollar doesn’t/didn’t believe there was legitimately some higher power that was going to condemn them to hell for juking people out of their money. They know the shyt is make-believe, but it’s a good come up for a lot of them.
FOH...jesus was born in a mud hut. Wasn't Jesus a carpenter?
Carpenters weren't rich then and they aint rich now
Funny how neither Jesus nor his disciples nor his early followers seemed to reap that "reward". Funny how his followers in poor countries and disadvantaged populations don't reap that "reward". It seems to be the modern powerful and colonizers who get that reward more than anyone else, despite them following Jesus less than everyone else.
We CLEARLY aren't the ones taking Scripture out of context.
Nope, but it puts you in extreme danger of it.
Luke 6:24-25 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry."
Luke 12:33-34 "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
Luke 14:12-14 Then Jesus said to his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”
Luke 16:13 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”
Matthew 6:19-21 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Matthew 19:23-24 “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
James 1:9-11 Believers in humble circumstances ought to take pride in their high position. But the rich should take pride in their humiliation—since they will pass away like a wild flower. For the sun rises with scorching heat and withers the plant; its blossom falls and its beauty is destroyed. In the same way, the rich will fade away even while they go about their business.
James 2:5-7 Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? But you have dishonored the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? Are they not the ones who are blaspheming the noble name of him to whom you belong?
James 5:1-6 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
1 Timothy 6:7-10 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Acts 2:42-47 All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. Day by day, as they spent much time together in the temple, they broke bread at home and ate their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having the goodwill of all the people. And day by day the Lord added to their number those who were being saved.
Acts 4:32-35 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
2 Corinthians 8:13-15 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”
That's just a taste, there's a lot more than that. But it's clear as hell that Jesus commanded us to give up our wealth for the poor, that his disciples repeated the same message, and that his followers from the top to the bottom actually did it.
Fillerguy
Veteran
Its kind of crazy how Christianity only exists because poor pagans and jews, desperate for salvation, put their lives on the line to worship a dead god. I wonder what they'd think of their religion now and how their successors constantly shyt on it.....for money.
a taste huh? this is even worse, although i don't believe you did it intentionally. you took 15 excerpts and stitched them together to fit your narrative.
for example
you said Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
another translation..
Matthew 6:24 NLT
[24] “No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and be enslaved to money.
read the chapter in its fullness, then let's revisit this..
a Christian knows that all they have truly belongs to God.. and God provides all your needs
Insensitive
Superstar
And there are many people who believe this.
It's woven into the fabric of several financial influencers.
This sort of ideology has been pervasive in (BLACK) church culture too.
When I tell you that this is what supposed good hearted and kind souls believe and that your bottom line/bag should come before all.
I say it as a mercy.
Please understand what you're up against.
It's woven into the fabric of several financial influencers.
This sort of ideology has been pervasive in (BLACK) church culture too.
When I tell you that this is what supposed good hearted and kind souls believe and that your bottom line/bag should come before all.
I say it as a mercy.
Please understand what you're up against.