Joel Embiid should be better than a easy 1st round exit

[Morethan1]

Joel checked out of this series. Philly fan's better hope he didn't check out in the franchise in general. Like someone said earlier in this thread. At the beginning of the second quarter you can tell Joel gave up.

He has horrible body language and I'm not sure why the media hasn't called him out on it.

 

[O.iatlhawksfan]

He’s doing that.

u seriously expected embiid to win against this Celtics team w/o Ben, and horford and Harris playing terribly?

u being unreasonable as hell if that’s the case

What other teams in the East would they beat?

 

[desjardins]

When Embid was down Sixers looked way better with Simmons as the guy with this same roster

Talk about it.
Sixers would still lose this series if Ben was playing and Embiid was out but the energy on the floor would be way different, series probably would be more competitive maybe going 5 or 6,and Tatum would at least be breaking a sweat out there

 

[Kwabena]

He sucks. No killer instincts

 

[Don Homer]

What other teams in the East would they beat?

Lower seeded teams that aren’t true contenders. nets and Orlando right now.

losing ben and horford and Harris playing like shyt ain’t helping. It’s not about embiid, they are just not good as the Celtics. The Celtics are a better team. That’s what everyone is saying throughout the thread lol

the better team is just winning

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Lower seeded teams that aren’t true contenders. nets and Orlando right now.

losing ben and horford and Harris playing like shyt ain’t helping. It’s not about embiid, they are just not good as the Celtics. The Celtics are a better team. That’s what everyone is saying throughout the thread lol

the better team is just winning

It's interesting that they're bringing up Embiid when as much as I don't like the guy, Simmons is hurt, Horford who they're paying 100M can't even play cause he can't guard Tatum or Brown and Harris who they're paying 200M to can't shoot or do much of anything out there.

There are things to critique Embiid on, losing this series isn't one of them.

 

[TheIsleofMan]

Tobias Harris gotta be the stiffest player in the NBA. Dude plays like a running, jumping tree.

 

[levitate]

Not a leader, not a winner. Just concerned with white chicks loving his “black ass”.

 

[ajnapoleon]

real life isnt 2K....even if embiid averaged 50 and 30.....the celtics are STILL the better team....

what about this is difficult to understand?

Its the Jordan effect


They think just score and you will beat every team no matter who is on it


Its not a team game to them

 

[wire28]

Imo he doesn’t have that mentality

He looked defeated and sad by the second quarter

Exactly. He got no dog in him. He’s a troll with no heart so him bytching up and crying every time they lose is expected.

 

[Flight]

Joel checked out of this series. Philly fan's better hope he didn't check out in the franchise in general. Like someone said earlier in this thread. At the beginning of the second quarter you can tell Joel gave up.

He has horrible body language and I'm not sure why the media hasn't called him out on it.

You’d have horrible body language too if the two
guys who get paid more than you can’t even give you a combined 26 ppg as a tandem while you take all the heat. The organization has failed Jo and Ben.

 

[surv2syn]

HE is simply not a good enough player to beat this Celtics team given all the circumstances. also these bigs camp out near the 3-point line too much. Jokic is an anomaly, not that he is better but his passing is on a different level so he can be more effective on the perimeter. Embiid needs to get inside and cold house things. yes, its tough without shooters. for this you have to point back at management. after Redikk, they had a chance to get guys like Bullock and Ellington who are wasting away in NYK. Fultz situation was a conundrum tho because no one really knew if his shoulder was fukked up or he had the yips.

 

[calh45]

When Embid was down Sixers looked way better with Simmons as the guy with this same roster

This statement is the truest statement in this thread, but also why this is all inherently on the 76ers front office/coach. They have a collective team full of people who have no idea how to create shots for other people. Just a bunch of gunners and it's glaringly apparent when Simmons is out and they can barely give Embiid a solid pass in the post.

I'm not a fan of Embiid's bullshyt attitude, but they built this entire squad as a 2K roster instead of an actual functional team, and they gave the coach Hinkie initially signed to tank, several shots, he didn't deserve btw, instead of firing him for someone better.

 

[x-factor7]

Still can't believe the Philly front office thought the missing piece to this team (after Jimmy left) was adding a 34 year old Al Horford, and paying him $110 million. And on top of that, keeping Tobias (who I am a huge fan of), who is at best a 3rd or 4th option. The Pistons similarly did this when they signed Josh Smith, and made him the 3 with Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond, no spacing whatsoever.

This team had the brightest future in the league in '17, and that draft pretty much fukked it all up.

 

[Left.A1]

Retrace what you're saying here:

Only ONE team can win in the playoffs; the other 15 teams have to lose. And since the game is run by guards/wings, it stands to reason that all of them, bar one, will lose.

Joel's impact is limited because he can't run the offense; his impact is limited to when the ball-handlers give him the ball, so when he's not getting the ball he's having little-to-no impact on that end. Especially since he doesn't stretch the floor without the ball either. The more times touching the rock = the more you can influence the offense. Steph's the next evolution of this, but that's a conversation for another day.

It's why bigs like AD, Boogie, LMA and Embiid haven't lead their respective teams to top seedings nor had notable success in the postseason. There's only one big who runs contrary to that rule - Jokic.

I'll let you work out why.



And it's not like the big men we have in today's league aren't great players in their own respect, it's just they're playing in a climate which isn't conducive to them leading a winning-team. You put Embiid back in the 80s/90s, where post-play was the staple of offenses, and the three-ball wasn't in rotation like it is now, and he'd be leading his team on deep playoff runs. He'd be revered as a far greater player than he is now. He's just simply a casualty of the era he's playing in.

So on the one hand we're capable of comprehending simple probability when it comes to winning championships or deep playoff runs if defending or explaining guards/wings (which there are way more of at an elite level compared to bigs) losing year after year yet disregard that point when discussing AD/Embiid/Boogie never leading their teams to titles because we want to blame it on skillset...yet we have all-star caliber guards like Kemba Walker that couldn't even make the playoffs in the weak ass east or Booker in the west while supposedly being the prototype for modern basketball stardom... Agenda based logically inconsistent conversations don't move me...Using team success as the barometer to determine which centerpiece build type is most effective only works if you're going to be consistent...at the end of the day what all championship teams must have is competent cohesive roster build above all

The game of basketball is a team game everyone is interdependent on someone else...saying C's need guards to give them the ball and that's why they're limited in overall effectiveness is a bit of a non-point it's like saying guards need C's to protect the rim on defense and that's why they're limited in overall effectiveness... It really isn't that difficult of a problem to solve either way... Find someone who can make an entry pass for your big/find a big that can protect the rim for your guard ...problem solved especially with modern bigs like AD/Embiid etc ability to face up and initiate their offense from non traditional spots on the floor