Based on what exactly
certainly not match up
Joel Embiid should be better than a easy 1st round exit
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certainly not match upWith the way his teammates are performing they would still lose
Look at Orlando, Brooklyn
teams with lesser talent but putting up a fight
philly as a whole is pathetic
teams with lesser talent but putting up a fight
philly as a whole is pathetic
LV Koopa
Jester from Hell
HE SHOULD BE SURROUNDED
BY KNOCK DOWN SHOOTERS...
CURRENT ROSTER MAKES
IT TOO EASY TO DBL
WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT.
HE STILL TAKES TOO MANY
JUMP SHOTS THO.
Don't need more shooters. He has enough. Simmons is hurt and he has plenty of space. They just play dumb and Boston is giving them work. Embiid is still the most turnover prone Center in the league. He took that title from Cousins in his 1st year.
The War Report
NewNewYork
Joel a front runner.
Hacksaw Jim Thuggin
Superstar
true.
reading through the responses in this thread has me like
........then
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i guess they missed all those years of kobe and the lakers losing in the playoffs UNTIL they had a good enough team behind him
Excellent point....another legendary guard who struggled to achieve team success without competent roster constructiontrue.
reading through the responses in this thread has me like
i guess they missed all those years of kobe and the lakers losing in the playoffs UNTIL they had a good enough team behind him
Boogie
Been a joint call me Mr. Backwood
Ben Simmons is just Eric Snow with a growth spurt
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
The writing was on the wall when they started getting rid of all their shooting in a couple of years. Then the Harris and Horford contracts and leatting Butler go. I feel Embiid needs some leadership from a hardnose player that he will respect, even if he is still the number one option on offense. Maybe he understood that himself and is why he wanted Jimmy to come back. They ended up fukking up the process themselves smh
Retrace what you're saying here, again:So on the one hand we're capable of comprehending simple probability when it comes to winning championships or deep playoff runs if defending or explaining guards/wings (which there are way more of at an elite level compared to bigs) losing year after year yet disregard that point when discussing AD/Embiid/Boogie never leading their teams to titles because we want to blame it on skillset...yet we have all-star caliber guards like Kemba Walker that couldn't even make the playoffs in the weak ass east or Booker in the west while supposedly being the prototype for modern basketball stardom...Agenda based logically inconsistent conversations don't move me...Using team success as the barometer to determine which centerpiece build type is most effective only works if you're going to be consistent...at the end of the day what all championship teams must have is competent cohesive roster build above all.
The game of basketball is a team game everyone is interdependent on someone else...saying C's need guards to give them the ball and that's why they're limited in overall effectiveness is a bit of a non-point it's like saying guards need C's to protect the rim on defense and that's why they're limited in overall effectiveness... It really isn't that difficult of a problem to solve either way... Find someone who can make an entry pass for your big/find a big that can protect the rim for your guard ...problem solved especially with modern bigs like AD/Embiid etc ability to face up and initiate their offense from non traditional spots on the floor
In the attempt of pointing out the simplicity of the probability of my argument, you end up tripping over that very simple logic when bringing up guards that missed the playoffs. The same probability of guards losing in the playoffs runs on to guards who miss the playoffs; not every guard is going to make it - they're only 16 spots. And not every guard, regardless of your perception of their ability, has the right conditions and breaks to make it.
The further the game has fallen into a positionless state, the more traditional roles have become obsolete, which means in comparison to the past, there's naturally going to be an imbalance of impact/influence. It's why PGs aren't just reduced to the role of playmaking, and it's why wings aren't reduced to having the table set for them by PGs to score. Offenses are no longer egalitarian and based upon basketball-praxis; they're based around 1-2 players controlling everything and the rest are spacers - horizontal and vertical.
And because of all that, bigs aren't going to have the same importance and dominion on offense if they can't fulfill all the roles that wings/guards do around the league.
The game is less interdependent than it's ever been.
Y'all cats can't see the forest for the trees.true.
reading through the responses in this thread has me like
i guess they missed all those years of kobe and the lakers losing in the playoffs UNTIL they had a good enough team behind him
Why do you think there's been an overwhelming, conservative groan about the game not being what it used to be?
Retrace what you're saying here, again:
In the attempt of pointing out the simplicity of the probability of my argument, you end up tripping over that very simple logic when bringing up guards that missed the playoffs. The same probability of guards losing in the playoffs runs on to guards who miss the playoffs; not every guard is going to make it - they're only 16 spots. And not every guard, regardless of your perception of their ability, has the right conditions and breaks to make it.
The further the game has fallen into a positionless state, the more traditional roles have become obsolete, which means in comparison to the past, there's naturally going to be an imbalance of impact/influence. It's why PGs aren't just reduced to the role of playmaking, and it's why wings aren't reduced to having the table set for them by PGs to score. Offenses are no longer egalitarian and based upon basketball-praxis; they're based around 1-2 players controlling everything and the rest are spacers - horizontal and vertical.
And because of all that, bigs aren't going to have the same importance and dominion on offense if they can't fulfill all the roles that wings/guards do around the league.
The game is less interdependent than it's ever been.
new day...same bimbo... Didn't read
What you fail to realize here is that Jokic initiates, controls, and is the chief playmaker of Denver's offense. He's the one that creates looks for everyone else. That's why he's able to have the impact on offense of a lead-guard/wing. You can't just plug Embiid into that team and expect him to replicate that when he's not capable of doing so.
Blackrogue
Superstar
Some of these hot takes. Narratives driving ideas to make you think one person better than another when at the end of the day each player who is mentioned at those higher echelon breaths has something special about them.
Joel is special. Defensively and offensively.. But there's only so much one player whether a guard or center can do due to mechanics of the game.
Do you as a C camp outside. Improve spacing.. Or do you camp inside increase pressure.
The Cs are game planning against him. He's doing what he can do which is more than most. And he always looks so sad when he loses. Which makes me think if things don't get better he'll leave.
Right now the way the game is its easier to spam points from the people who have the ball in their hands the Most. Harden, Tatum, Doncic, LeBron etc. You can't do it so much with a big so his talent level isn't reflected in outcome.
But more and more I think it's not fair to blame one player for team failure when he's a victim of what the Fo does. This team was so much better with Jimmy butler. Reddikk, covington.
Joel is special. Defensively and offensively.. But there's only so much one player whether a guard or center can do due to mechanics of the game.
Do you as a C camp outside. Improve spacing.. Or do you camp inside increase pressure.
The Cs are game planning against him. He's doing what he can do which is more than most. And he always looks so sad when he loses. Which makes me think if things don't get better he'll leave.
Right now the way the game is its easier to spam points from the people who have the ball in their hands the Most. Harden, Tatum, Doncic, LeBron etc. You can't do it so much with a big so his talent level isn't reflected in outcome.
But more and more I think it's not fair to blame one player for team failure when he's a victim of what the Fo does. This team was so much better with Jimmy butler. Reddikk, covington.