Joe Biden Planning To Lay Out New Steps To Stem The U.S. Crime Wave
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America has toxic gun culture. Rise in gun violence can be tracked with the increase in gun sales and how gun ownership is romanticized.
Gun sales should be curbed and there should be more safeguard on gun sales at the very least.
Neoliberalism does not equal capitalism. That's why I called this argument dishonest. Merely supporting capitalism doesn't make some on a neoliberal.
We have too many guns in this country. As noted above we can safely correlate the increase in gun violence with the increase in gun sales.
But what we do know about violent crime is that most people are killed by people they know. And we know this violence isn't limited to armed robberies.
The point, we should celebrate all methods that attempt to curtail gun violence. Not just criticize it because it isn't our prepared approach.
That's my issue.
I speak on the failures of capitalism as much as I speak on most economic systems.
Everyone here knows I view people as self interested actors and will ultimately corrupt any form of government/socioeconomic model.
I'm not even here to so say your opinions are particularly wrong. Just that I don't think socialism is happening in America, that it's unrealistic to think the president is going to propose it, and that we should look at his proposals and see if they will achieve the attended goals, to what degree, and if they'll do more harm than good.
Also, It's fukk 12.
Gun sales should be curbed and there should be more safeguard on gun sales at the very least.
Neoliberalism does not equal capitalism. That's why I called this argument dishonest. Merely supporting capitalism doesn't make some on a neoliberal.
We have too many guns in this country. As noted above we can safely correlate the increase in gun violence with the increase in gun sales.
But what we do know about violent crime is that most people are killed by people they know. And we know this violence isn't limited to armed robberies.
The point, we should celebrate all methods that attempt to curtail gun violence. Not just criticize it because it isn't our prepared approach.
That's my issue.
I speak on the failures of capitalism as much as I speak on most economic systems.
Everyone here knows I view people as self interested actors and will ultimately corrupt any form of government/socioeconomic model.
guess we're both jack asses then since we both have no qualms in saying that we think our perspective Soap box is better.
I'm not even here to so say your opinions are particularly wrong. Just that I don't think socialism is happening in America, that it's unrealistic to think the president is going to propose it, and that we should look at his proposals and see if they will achieve the attended goals, to what degree, and if they'll do more harm than good.
Also, It's fukk 12.
Biden announces strategy to tackle gun violence amid sharp increase in crime
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/14/2021-gun-violence/
I'm interested in hearing how some of you guys look to address gun violence and the illegal trade of firearms without law enforcement.
end qualified immunity!
Build more playgrounds!
Based on all I've read he's only mentioned gun violence and providing funding for law enforcement to tackle gun violence.
Is that problematic if the money given has a specific purpose?
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
I've seen some really weird posts in here so I guess I'll chime in again with my 2 cents from NY
From the stuff that has come out about what Biden has said it's seems like there is an emphasis on gun dealers both legal and illegal and I think that's great since unfortunately some of our states won't step up and do what is right... well really the bare minimum if we're being honest. It's not a secret that the guns flowing into cities are coming from red states. Obviously congress needs to do something as well but the same old story on that front.
@Pressure shared this link Biden announces strategy to tackle gun violence amid sharp increase in crime
I can't really see anything I'm supposed to be complaining about after reading this article
I'm pretty sure I already said this in here but it's worth repeating because of how serious it is. The police have been doing a work slowdown particularly since George Floyd was murdered and the backlash surrounding it across the country. The neighborhood where I live there were constantly patrols and even double that at night. It's really apparent across the whole city. This has also been going on in the city before Floyd even because the police have been having a meltdown over the mayor/local government. The police are largely allowing things to get out of hand on purpose for political reasons and creating a false narrative of how violent things are here when in reality a few murders or shootings in a precinct will skew the numbers by hundreds of percents because of how low crime has become. The issue isn't a lack of funding or police but a lack of will to do their job while being held accountable for their actions and the false premise that we are sliding into the bad old days when crime remains largely low/flat. I remember a few yeas back I yelled at some cops because there was a homeless guy openly menacing people with a knife and the cops hit me with an "elect better officials" line I kid you not.
So at the end of the day where does that leave us here in NY? We have police force who don't want to work, a city that is as safe as it's been in my lifetime with almost no petty crime, a soaring mental health crisis which isn't new, and a proliferation of small arms from red states which has always been the issue.
NY's prison population is the lowest it's been since the drug war began and we are still continuing to close prisons. Our governor even stepped up and has openly called prisons a jobs a program that needs to end and continued to move forward with closings and criminal justice reform. The fear mongering over mass incarceration taking off again at least here isn't seated in reality.
That's my thoughts on our "crime wave" and police at the moment.
From the stuff that has come out about what Biden has said it's seems like there is an emphasis on gun dealers both legal and illegal and I think that's great since unfortunately some of our states won't step up and do what is right... well really the bare minimum if we're being honest. It's not a secret that the guns flowing into cities are coming from red states. Obviously congress needs to do something as well but the same old story on that front.
@Pressure shared this link Biden announces strategy to tackle gun violence amid sharp increase in crime
I can't really see anything I'm supposed to be complaining about after reading this article
I'm pretty sure I already said this in here but it's worth repeating because of how serious it is. The police have been doing a work slowdown particularly since George Floyd was murdered and the backlash surrounding it across the country. The neighborhood where I live there were constantly patrols and even double that at night. It's really apparent across the whole city. This has also been going on in the city before Floyd even because the police have been having a meltdown over the mayor/local government. The police are largely allowing things to get out of hand on purpose for political reasons and creating a false narrative of how violent things are here when in reality a few murders or shootings in a precinct will skew the numbers by hundreds of percents because of how low crime has become. The issue isn't a lack of funding or police but a lack of will to do their job while being held accountable for their actions and the false premise that we are sliding into the bad old days when crime remains largely low/flat. I remember a few yeas back I yelled at some cops because there was a homeless guy openly menacing people with a knife and the cops hit me with an "elect better officials" line I kid you not.
So at the end of the day where does that leave us here in NY? We have police force who don't want to work, a city that is as safe as it's been in my lifetime with almost no petty crime, a soaring mental health crisis which isn't new, and a proliferation of small arms from red states which has always been the issue.
NY's prison population is the lowest it's been since the drug war began and we are still continuing to close prisons. Our governor even stepped up and has openly called prisons a jobs a program that needs to end and continued to move forward with closings and criminal justice reform. The fear mongering over mass incarceration taking off again at least here isn't seated in reality.
That's my thoughts on our "crime wave" and police at the moment.
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You negged me?
Yes, I’m retarded because in a thread about Biden focusing on guns as a response to the recent increases in crime, I’m objecting to people trying downplay crime and talking about ending qualified immunity
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
For the 100th time. No one that is actually in charge of keeping people safe are going to invest less resources in police
not a mayor, not a city council, not a president
even the “defund the police” agenda of negged training and different police for different situations requires more investment into to police
Now the money should be tied to better standards and transparency, if you want to argue that then, good
but if you not living in a community where you’re seeing a surge in violence it’s disingenuous to be talking about investing less in police
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
the article cites an example in Oakland where they did this and saw a decline in gun violence.
These policies will always target black people. Maybe you don't care about poor black people, but I do.
We’re talking about a federal respond to gun crime tho
there’s nothing stopping cities for using the money this way. The money is being sent to the cities to help fight gun crime.
OPD: Oakland Sees 1,400% Increase In January Homicides Over Last Year
Well said.I've seen some really weird posts in here so I guess I'll chime in again with my 2 cents from NY
From the stuff that has come out about what Biden has said it's seems like there is an emphasis on gun dealers both legal and illegal and I think that's great since unfortunately some of our states won't step up and do what is right... well really the bare minimum if we're being honest. It's not a secret that the guns flowing into cities are coming from red states. Obviously congress needs to do something as well but the same old story on that front.
@Pressure shared this link Biden announces strategy to tackle gun violence amid sharp increase in crime
I can't really see anything I'm supposed to be complaining about after reading this article
I'm pretty sure I already said this in here but it's worth repeating because of how serious it is. The police have been doing a work slowdown particularly since George Floyd was murdered and the backlash surrounding it across the country. The neighborhood where I live there were constantly patrols and even double that at night. It's really apparent across the whole city. This has also been going on in the city before Floyd even because the police have been having a meltdown over the mayor/local government. The police are largely allowing things to get out of hand on purpose for political reasons and creating a false narrative of how violent things are here when in reality a few murders or shootings in a precinct will skew the numbers by hundreds of percents because of how low crime has become. The issue isn't a lack of funding or police but a lack of will to do their job while being held accountable for their actions and the false premise that we are sliding into the bad old days when crime remains largely low/flat. I remember a few yeas back I yelled at some cops because there was a homeless guy openly menacing people with a knife and the cops hit me with an "elect better officials" line I kid you not.
So at the end of the day where does that leave us here in NY? We have police force who don't want to work, a city that is as safe as it's been in my lifetime with almost no petty crime, a soaring mental health crisis which isn't new, and a proliferation of small arms from red states which has always been the issue.
NY's prison population is the lowest it's been since the drug war began and we are still continuing to close prisons. Our governor even stepped up and has openly called prisons a jobs a program that needs to end and continued to move forward with closings and criminal justice reform. The fear mongering over mass incarceration taking off again at least here isn't seated in reality.
That's my thoughts on our "crime wave" and police at the moment.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
The only thing I will say is we will start seeing more videos of black men getting killed by police. The concern for that has probably passed now, including within the black community.
The other thing is folks in Oakland had a rally for this as well.
Oakland leaders call on Alameda County to declare gun violence a public health emergency
we are seeing crime because of economic factors. The answer can’t be give police more police and weapons because that’s what politicians do.
I don’t think the surge in crime is solely based on economic factors
I thinks it’s mostly due to the pandemic
Kids that weren’t doing shyt in school at least were spending their energy and time there
It’s just one of the reason I thought schools should be open and they should’ve been testing kids like they test pro athletes
