Kobe wouldn't have won without Shaq neither bruh. It's a team game. Kobe wasn't taking that Lakers team to a championship without Shaq so wtf are you even talking about. This hero ball shyt has poisoned the game.
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All I needed to see. The question was really for the other poster who said player's aren't good or elite if they don't win. Your dumb ass started quoting me and now you look dumb because you entered a conversation that you obviously didn't fully read. Your arguments are always garbage because you're a stan so you're biased.
BUT KOBE DID WIN WITOUT SHAQ LOL - THATS KINDA THE POINT
YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT RINGS DONT MATTER IN A 5 ON 5 GAME - SO STUPID
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I dont think anyone expects a Kobe stan to have the intelligence to know why getting a championship for a nothing franchise over the best team ever would mean more than playing for the best franchise ever with arguably the most dominant center ever and arguably the best coach ever lol
Man fukk outta here with that media-driven drivel
One championship is one championship.
“But he won one in cleveland”
Yeah with Kyrie irving making that crucial game winning shot,
Give Kobe love and kyrie and he wins a title too
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Why do you think hero ball poisoned the game?
And honestly blame Jordan and the perception around him for hero ball being so dominant. The perception was Jordan did it all alone, while Scottie and em rode his coattails. Notice that hero ball shyt became big only after Jordan retired and the 00s brought us many 1 on 1 or 1 on 5 kind of players
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This man has lost 5 of his 8 finals he been in. Yes the 2016 won was a legendary win, but perception wise, to many people it’s not enough. Remember lebron is chasing Jordan, so the fact he’s more of a loser than even Kobe or Duncan is a black cloud that hangs over his head, and if the Cavs make this finals and gets beat by the warriors again. That’s 6 out of 9 finals he lost. 2016 was legendary but not enough to erase that black cloud
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stat nerds dont realize that degree of difficulty wont show up on a stat sheet. The way you score does matter and Kobe made insane shots consistently. Double, triple teamed didnt even matter.. Players respect it cause what Kobe did on the court was simply amazing and his skill level was only behind Jordan. Its not something you can easily describe to someone who never played organized ball. Some folks refer to it as the eyeball test. Its the intangibles that give Kobe the edge.
Yeah maybe Oscar was a poor choice to include on that list lol
Hakeem is debateable IMO because he was the best C in an era that included a lot of great big men. I get the 5 rings > 2 rings comparison, but he did win a ring as a 6 seed and that has to hold some weight, even if part of it is because the Rockets traded for Drexler midseason.
Duncan won 5 titles too, so he does have an argument since most people consider him to be the greatest PF of all time and he has 2 MVPs . The one thing I will give Kobe is that I think he had a higher peak that Duncan did, but I also think Duncan was more efficient and a bit more consistent
Shaq, meh, he could have been the GOAT if he had a work ethic of any sort lol. But he had one of the most dominant peaks by a C over a 15 year period and he did carry Kobe to the first title (although he didn't carry him to the second or third titles like some history revisionists try to claim)
I think you can at least argue LeBron over Kobe because he did it by himself for a long time. Maybe LeBron vs Bird is a better comparison tho
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Look at your bio and then look at the stereotypes you Kobe suck offs/Bron haters are known for. The first and only thing you came in here talkin bout is finals records. I was telling the other guy what was a more impressive accomplishment. To the best of my knowledge, Kobe was minimum a favorite in 5 of his 7 final appearances. Guess his record. And one of those wins was carried by a god awful 4th quarter and severe ref ball.
I know youre gonna be a fan of Kobe's "impressive" championship wins, but can you objectively say any of those are even comparable to the 16 win? I would even go so far as to say that all of LeBrons wins were more challenging than Kobe's as far as the finals go
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the thing is you can only really win with that style of play when you have a great team around you. That style of play isnt conducive with bad teams. The thing I always desire for Kobe fans to understand is that efficiency and making some attempt to raise ur teammates ability is more likely to succeed with a trash squad than the alternative.
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Nikka this is what you said
and my response to you was simple, yes it’s impressive, but looking at the overall body of his work in the finals, nobody will care in the grand scheme of thing which is exactly why lebron is back to being criticized again. And you must mean 2 out of 3 of those championships. He beat a young Westbrook/Durant/harden off the bench 4-1 how the fukk was that challenging?
Noticed when he ran into a more experienced KD, he got his ass handed to him last year. One legendary win in a midst of 5(soon to be 6) Ls doesn’t mean nothing to me. I grew up on Jordan and Kobe. Champions
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Kobe played with plenty of scrubs and made them look good in retrospect. And its evident now that Lebron clearly hindered the play of other talented players around him. But you keep going back to stats when thats not what this discussion is about. The question was who is the better player of all time. How many games they won, championships won and those stats are just a part of the conversation but not the whole convo.