Jim Jackson picks Kobe over Lebron
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now more than ever championship success is tied to the franchise you play for
they made the game more team friendly
it's not defined by dominant individuals as much as it was in the past
if it came down to all man2man who ever wins the most 1v1/iso's of course the landscape changes
the perspectives of who the best players are would also change
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they made the game more team friendly
it's not defined by dominant individuals as much as it was in the past
if it came down to all man2man who ever wins the most 1v1/iso's of course the landscape changes
the perspectives of who the best players are would also change
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& bron would be an absolute tyrant in the iso.era
tryna hold him with straight man2man would be ugly as fukk
bron is the nuclear option kobe is the beautiful assassination option
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tryna hold him with straight man2man would be ugly as fukk
bron is the nuclear option kobe is the beautiful assassination option
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Bilz
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I know that dumbass. And when they did, they had the best front line in the league. It was never Duncan vs Kobe.
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jordans legacy is out of reach in part because of the changes made
the era of individual dominance is over
some players would eat less in the iso.era than they are currently some players would eat more
who's who is just all talk cause they aren't going back
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the era of individual dominance is over
some players would eat less in the iso.era than they are currently some players would eat more
who's who is just all talk cause they aren't going back
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its also interesting how the changes in play seem to reflect the mentality of players
less blood thirsty mj types who wanted to single handily conquer everyone on the court his own teammates included jahahahahaa
more aau/all-star team buddy.buddy types
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less blood thirsty mj types who wanted to single handily conquer everyone on the court his own teammates included jahahahahaa
more aau/all-star team buddy.buddy types
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Kobe is clearly not the answer to that question, that’s why it’s so problematic that Kobe fans only use 1 or 2 caveats (rings and difficulty of shot selection) to determine that. Bron is clearly better in every other aspect, and that’s why it shouldn’t be an argument. It just doesn’t make sense that the guy who does more things is considered lesser than a scoring purist. Of course Kobe does other things but not at anywhere near the same level
Bruh stop it. Many of you Kobe Fan's have been proudly beating your chest proclaiming that NBA players opinions are more important and they like Kobe more(even though I value my own opinion over anyone's). So when we take it a step further and get a former NBA player and coach of Kobe Bryant, a man who coached him and saw him daily in practice, say's Kobe's defense is overrated and was masked by athleticism now you're copping pleas. If we're talking NBA opinions matter the most, there is no better opinion on Kobe than from his former coach.
YOU CANT BE THIS SLOW LMAO
PHIL JACKSON WAS KNOWN TO MANIPULATE HIS PLAYERS THROUGH THE MEDIA- HE WAS MOST LIKELY TRYING TO MOTIVATE KOBE TO FOCUS ON HIS DEFENSE. DO U SERIOUSLY NOT KNOW PHILS HISTORY OF CALCULATED MOVES??
waltthizzney
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Its gonna be great watching the raptors destroy LeThot's legacy once and for all
Controversy
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Not this low-quality posting.
Head-to-head is meaningless when judging two players who don't have hardly anything to do with each other.
Kobe didn't "kill" Duncan, and he didn't guard Duncan. He made shots against whatever scrubs were in the game guarding him.
Since you must have been 14-15 or so when this transpired, let me give you a little education.
1. From 1999-2005 when their teams met five times, the best two players in the game were Shaq and Duncan. They combined for three MVPs and SIX Finals MVPs in that stretch. They were dominant.
2. Shaq and Duncan didn't always guard each other, but they were the two dominant forces in the middle that both teams were centered around. It was always a Shaq vs. Duncan fight.
3. Phil Jackson's defensive strategy was to load up on Duncan, because the Spurs had almost nothing that didn't start with him. In the five years they faced the Lakers, there were ZERO other Spurs in the all-star game. Not one other all-star on the whole team.
4. Pop's strategy was to load up on Shaq and leave a defender on an island against Kobe. The hope was to goad Kobe into shooting 30-40 shots, because every shot Kobe took at 40-45% was one less shot that Shaq got to take at 60%. That's why Kobe has so many ridiculous volume shooting nights against the Spurs - it was the Spurs only chance of winning since they were always outmanned trying to pit Duncan and a bunch of role players against the Shaq/Kobe combo. The most beautiful example of that was 2003, where Kobe took FIFTY-SEVEN more shots than Shaq, straight shooting the Lakers out of the series even though Shaq was averaging 25-14-4-3 on 56% shooting (but only got 17 shots/game) while Duncan didn't have a single guy on his team averaging even 15ppg.
5. Yeah, some years Kobe made the shots, and some years he didn't. But he wasn't the "best player in the series." Kobe was going one-on-one while Duncan and Shaq were constantly double-teamed and schemed around. Even in some of the years he lost (look at 2002) it was clearly Duncan who was the best player on the court, and even when the Lakers won it was still Shaq carrying them as late as 2004. Kobe took way more shots, but far less efficiently and Shaq was much more important on defense.
6. You know why Duncan doesn't have a better head-to-head against Kobe? Because they ONLY played in the years when Duncan didn't have an elite supporting cast. Where was Kobe in 2005? 2006? 2007? 2012? 2013? 2014? If the Lakers had played Duncan's teams any of those six years, they would have gotten washed. But they sucked so bad they didn't even make it there.
That's one of the biggest differences between Duncan's teams and Kobe's teams. Even when Duncan's teams were crap (like 2001 when the #2 was Derek Anderson and only 3 Spurs averaged double figures, or 2007 when Ginobli was hurt and half the top-8 in the rotation were over 35 and ready to retire), the Spurs still made the WCF to face the Lakers. But when Kobe didn't have a massive supporting cast, he dipped out too early to even see the Spurs.
Your head-to-head comparison is a joke. They played in the same era and Duncan led his team to more titles than Kobe. You don't get extra credit for having the greatest center in the game to neutralize your opponent, or for only getting to face him in the years your team is elite.
What kind of nonsensical crap is that? How do you determine those peaks?
1999 Kobe when he didn't even average 20ppg was "peak" Kobe?
You have Kobe failing to get get past the first round FOUR TIMES in his "peak."
Kobe made 11 first-team All-NBAs and Duncan made 10 of them. The difference is ONE. And that's only cause Duncan finished four years of college first - put him in the NBA in 1997 and he probably makes 1st-team All-NBA that year just like he did in 1998 and ends up tied with Kobe.
And once again, they don't face each other. Who was Kobe's biggest competition to make the All-NBA team? Some of those years he just had to beat out an injured Wade or an older Nash. Meanwhile, Duncan was listed at the forward spot where Garnett, McGrady, Lebron, Dirk, and later Durant were ALL fighting for those two first-team slots.
And he still got there ten times.
You wrote an essay of gibberish
Kobe KILLED the Spurs. Shaq nor Duncan were not the best player on the court most times in the playoffs sharing the court with Kobe. Kob demoralized the Spurs too many times...even beat the Spurs in the playoffs without Shaq
Kobe was a two way player starting in 99
Duncan was not dominant after 07 so cut the crap...he wasn’t even considered a top 3 big man let alone top 3 player in the league after that
Spurs were so worried about Kobe, D-Fish crushed their souls on that last second shot.
While LBJ went 1-2 against the Spurs in the offs, Kobe went 4-2 and faced prime Manu, prime Tony Parker
Duncan literally played with 5 HOFers during his time in SA:
Admiral
Parker
Manu
Kawhi
Aldridge
To suggest Duncan played with avg players is a disservice to all those proven vets he played with...you need solid role players to win chips
The only two times in my life I felt Duncan was unstoppable was 99 & 03. He balled those yrs especially...but Kob put his foot on his neck too many times...dunking on him, blowing by him, showing him up & being the best player more times than not
Just face it, Kobe was an elite player for a longer period. Who was calling Duncan elite in 2010, 11 or 12.
Kobe got the least attention on defense of the three and took the most shots, for the reason I already described. But that doesn't make him the best player on the court. It was the exact opposite.
Duncan and Shaq were always the two best players on the court and it was acknowledged by the way the coaches schemed, but even if you went by pure stats, Duncan was clearly best in 1999, 2002, and 2003, and Shaq had 2004. Kobe just has 2001.
In 2002 Duncan averaged 29-17-5 and 3 blocks a game against the Lakers while being guarded by basically the entire Lakers' lineup. He only had ONE guy on his team who even averaged double figures, and that was a 19yo rookie TP. (Bruce Bowen was the #3 scorer for the Spurs if you want to know how bad it was.) Kobe, meanwhile, was an afterthought on defense compared to Prime Shaq, yet still only managed 26-5-5 on mediocre shooting (46/23/58) even though he was single-covered all game.
And in 2004, Shaq averaged 23-15-2 and over 4 blocks/game against the Spurs on 64% shooting. He was better than Kobe on offense AND defense. Kobe doesn't get the "best player in the series" tag just because he managed slightly more ppg than Shaq - it took him 45 more shots to do it. Once again, Pop used single-coverage to goad Kobe into taking all the shots and keeping the ball out of Shaq's hands.
Kobe has arguably 2001 and 2008, and both of those are borderline because his stats look good only because the defense on him was so much lighter than on the other players. Duncan was clearly the best player in 1999, 2002, and 2003. So you continue to be wrong.
Definitely, but he wasn't the core of the defense. Duncan and Shaq had a much greater defensive impact on the whole game due to their role and their consistency on that end. Kobe had big plays sometimes but it wasn't like he was protecting the rim or even shutting down his guy all game.
You have to be a top-3 player in the league to be in your peak? Kobe sure as hell wasn't that in 1999, 2000, 2012, 2013, but you included those in Kobe's peak. And Duncan made something like four All-NBA teams including two 1st-team All-NBA as well as came within one play of winning a Finals MVP after you claimed his peak was over. So you making no sense.
This PROVES you don't know what you're talking about. Manu was hurt in 2008, Kobe NEVER faced prime Manu in the playoffs. That year the Spurs had a terrible lineup, with 5 of their top 8 on the verge of retirement and their top scorer injured. 36yo Bowen had to start games to guard Kobe and 36yo Barry was their top shooter. It was a down year for them.
Why are you naming guys who weren't even on the team when Kobe faced them?
You can't brag about Kobe's head-to-head record and then name people from other teams.
In the five years that the Kobe/Shaq Lakers faced the Spurs, there were ZERO all-stars on that team other than Duncan. ZERO. It doesn't matter what The Admiral had done years earlier, or what players they were going to draft later. Those players weren't there then. It was Duncan, a 35+yo Admiral, and a bunch of role players. The Lakers had good role players too, but Duncan was always going one star against two, so to compare them straight-up is ridiculous.
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Trece
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Just came in here to say Nick Wright is such a phakkit...
Surprised he married to a woman tbh
Surprised he married to a woman tbh
20 years, 3 Finals
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