Jim Jackson picks Kobe over Lebron
- Thread starter SpursFanSinceNovember2017
- Start date
etrofllenrod504
All Star
Huh? So now it's if he lose before he gets to the finals it destroys his legacy. If he gets to the finals and lose it destroys his legacy lol. Do you see this man's legacy? You sound dumb as fukk right now. Go get you some p*ssy cause no way somebody should be hating a person they don't know this damn much smh.
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
He said that shyt in his book back in like 2014, you fukking spastic retard
Controversy
Superstar
Kobe got the least attention on defense of the three and took the most shots, for the reason I already described. But that doesn't make him the best player on the court. It was the exact opposite.
Duncan and Shaq were always the two best players on the court and it was acknowledged by the way the coaches schemed, but even if you went by pure stats, Duncan was clearly best in 1999, 2002, and 2003, and Shaq had 2004. Kobe just has 2001.
In 2002 Duncan averaged 29-17-5 and 3 blocks a game against the Lakers while being guarded by basically the entire Lakers' lineup. He only had ONE guy on his team who even averaged double figures, and that was a 19yo rookie TP. (Bruce Bowen was the #3 scorer for the Spurs if you want to know how bad it was.) Kobe, meanwhile, was an afterthought on defense compared to Prime Shaq, yet still only managed 26-5-5 on mediocre shooting (46/23/58) even though he was single-covered all game.
And in 2004, Shaq averaged 23-15-2 and over 4 blocks/game against the Spurs on 64% shooting. He was better than Kobe on offense AND defense. Kobe doesn't get the "best player in the series" tag just because he managed slightly more ppg than Shaq - it took him 45 more shots to do it. Once again, Pop used single-coverage to goad Kobe into taking all the shots and keeping the ball out of Shaq's hands.
Kobe has arguably 2001 and 2008, and both of those are borderline because his stats look good only because the defense on him was so much lighter than on the other players. Duncan was clearly the best player in 1999, 2002, and 2003. So you continue to be wrong.
Definitely, but he wasn't the core of the defense. Duncan and Shaq had a much greater defensive impact on the whole game due to their role and their consistency on that end. Kobe had big plays sometimes but it wasn't like he was protecting the rim or even shutting down his guy all game.
You have to be a top-3 player in the league to be in your peak? Kobe sure as hell wasn't that in 1999, 2000, 2012, 2013, but you included those in Kobe's peak. And Duncan made something like four All-NBA teams including two 1st-team All-NBA as well as came within one play of winning a Finals MVP after you claimed his peak was over. So you making no sense.
This PROVES you don't know what you're talking about. Manu was hurt in 2008, Kobe NEVER faced prime Manu in the playoffs. That year the Spurs had a terrible lineup, with 5 of their top 8 on the verge of retirement and their top scorer injured. 36yo Bowen had to start games to guard Kobe and 36yo Barry was their top shooter. It was a down year for them.
Why are you naming guys who weren't even on the team when Kobe faced them?
You can't brag about Kobe's head-to-head record and then name people from other teams.
In the five years that the Kobe/Shaq Lakers faced the Spurs, there were ZERO all-stars on that team other than Duncan. ZERO. It doesn't matter what The Admiral had done years earlier, or what players they were going to draft later. Those players weren't there then. It was Duncan, a 35+yo Admiral, and a bunch of role players. The Lakers had good role players too, but Duncan was always going one star against two, so to compare them straight-up is ridiculous.
I don't need stats to justify my argument
I watched the games...the Lakers never had a player who could adequately defend Duncan
At least the Spurs had Manu & Bowen on the perimeter
Kobe hit most of the big shots in 01 & 02 against Spurs in games that called for it
And if you think Shaq was a better defender than Kobe, you clearly don't know ANYTHING about b-ball
The Lakers objective was simple, let Duncan get his & limit everyone else...too bad Kobe closed the close games, played the best defense, facilitated the offense & dunked all over Big Fundamentals & Admiral
Lefty Gunz
Superstar
The length of this thread 
y’all nikkas are the worst
y’all nikkas are the worst
Total bs to include 2001 in there. Shaq hit the biggest shot of the series in 2001 AND had the biggest defensive play of the series. Kobe didn't get any big shots at all in 2001 even though Spurs were pairing Antonio Daniels and 37yo Terry Porter at guard down the stretch.
In 2002, Shaq had all the biggest shots in Game 1 and Game 2 (while Kobe had the critical misses in Game 2), Kobe had the bigger shots in Game 4 and 5. But it was irrelevant because Duncan was clearly the best player in the series either way, keeping the Spurs in the games as a monster on both ends.
Bowen didn't join the team until 2002 and was
by 2008, Manu didn't even join the NBA until 2003 and was hurt in 2008. Those two were only relevant for 2 of the 6 series we're talking about...not coincidentally two of the series where Kobe didn't look all that good...and those were Manu's first two seasons and just playing 20-something minutes.In 2001 their roster was so bad, they started Antonio Daniels and 37yo Terry Porter at guard along with 34yo Danny Ferry at the 3. Who was guarding Kobe again?
Yes, the Lakers could never adequately defend Duncan because he was a beast, so they focused their entire team defensive effort around him and frequently doubled. You're only helping my point.
I didn't say that, I said, "Shaq had a much greater defensive impact on the whole game due to his role and consistency on that end."
The rim protector in the middle is almost always going to have a bigger defensive impact than the perimeter defender, especially when the perimeter defender isn't trying on that end on 90% of plays.
Tell me, who exactly was Kobe shutting down defensively in those games, and which years. He was stopping the big threat that was 35yo Mario Ellie? 37yo Terry Porter? Injured Ginobli?
You want to give Kobe the defensive edge over Shaq in 2004 when Shaq was averaging 4+ blocks a game while Kobe was guarding Bruce Bowen?
Controversy
Superstar
Total bs to include 2001 in there. Shaq hit the biggest shot of the series in 2001 AND had the biggest defensive play of the series. Kobe didn't get any big shots at all in 2001 even though Spurs were pairing Antonio Daniels and 37yo Terry Porter at guard down the stretch.
In 2002, Shaq had all the biggest shots in Game 1 and Game 2 (while Kobe had the critical misses in Game 2), Kobe had the bigger shots in Game 4 and 5. But it was irrelevant because Duncan was clearly the best player in the series either way, keeping the Spurs in the games as a monster on both ends.
Bowen didn't join the team until 2002 and was
In 2001 their roster was so bad, they started Antonio Daniels and 37yo Terry Porter at guard along with 34yo Danny Ferry at the 3. Who was guarding Kobe again?
Yes, the Lakers could never adequately defend Duncan because he was a beast, so they focused their entire team defensive effort around him and frequently doubled. You're only helping my point.
I didn't say that, I said, "Shaq had a much greater defensive impact on the whole game due to his role and consistency on that end."
The rim protector in the middle is almost always going to have a bigger defensive impact than the perimeter defender, especially when the perimeter defender isn't trying on that end on 90% of plays.
Tell me, who exactly was Kobe shutting down defensively in those games, and which years. He was stopping the big threat that was 35yo Mario Ellie? 37yo Terry Porter? Injured Ginobli?
You want to give Kobe the defensive edge over Shaq in 2004 when Shaq was averaging 4+ blocks a game while Kobe was guarding Bruce Bowen?
Grabbing rebs & blocking shots does not make you a sound defender...it makes you a good help defender
Shaq could anchor the paint but Kob was clearly the best defender on the team starting in 99
The Lakers did not double Duncan all game, he got his bc he was basically a C playing against PFs who could not defend him
Duncan was a monster 99-05...I can never take that away from him
But we all watched Kobe kill him too many times...I saw it live...he gave Timmy the blues time & time again
Doesn't take away from Timmy's greatness...and the reason Timmy made all nba 2x after his peak ended was bc the quality of big men in the nba took a hit after the 2000s
Duncan is a great player, all-time great, top 6-8 big man all time...but Kobe's career was more impactful, Kobe won more big series and Kobe was the better player later in their careers. At their respective peaks, Kobe was historically great. If someone wants to say Duncan was a better defender, I won't argue it but Kobe was so much better offensively, it negates the small advantage on the defensive end.
20 years in the league and LED A TEAM to only 3 Finals
foh retarded mf
LOL @ THIS FUCCBOY THINKIN KOBE WASNT A LEADER OF THE THREEPEAT TEAMS WHEN HE WAS LITERALLY CO-CAPTAIN OF THOSE TEAMS ALONG WIT SHAQ AND PUT UP COMPARABLE STATS + EVEN BETTER STATS IN THE WESTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFFS
MEANING WHAT? THAT IT WAS KOBE WHO LED THE LAKERS TO THE FINALS
FUCCIN MORON
ONLY THING THAT CAN HELP HIS LEGACY IS WINNIN ANOTHER TITLE - BUT THIS IS COMMON SENSE
He said that shyt in his book back in like 2014, you fukking spastic retard
U THE DUMBASS WHO TAKES PHIL WORDS AT FACE VALUE, NERD
http://www.businessinsider.com/kobe...-phil-jackson-never-preaching-defense-2012-11
^^OH SO IT WAS A RESPONSE TO THIS LMAO
LMAO I DIDNT READ THAT FAGOTS SOULESS RANT, BUT DID HE REALLY SAY SHAQ WAS A BETTEE DEFENDER THAN KOBE?????
