Jim Jackson: Larry Bird and Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade aren't Transformational Basketball Players

[Sterling Archer]

Magic
Bron
Steph
Jordan

These are the transformational players of the past 40 years

Lebron didnt change the sport like the rest did. Not even about how good he or anyone else is. Those other guys you listed changed the way basketball was played.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

True. But so has AI, so has Shaq, Webber, Pippen, Jason Kidd, Zeke - even Deke & Rodman, but that's not what he's talking about. If he was, then you have to mention Doc, the aforementioned. He's wording it wrong but his explanation really harps on marketability. Mega Superstar marketing. From, that he can say Bird wasn't, however, Magic & Bird were ALWAYS paired together. like 90's of Magic commercials had a C's reference.

Those players were great but for you to even bring them up in the same vein as Steph, Magic & Mike as far as flipping the game upside down tells me all I need to know

 

[Sccit]

Jim Jackson picks Kobe over Lebron

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Watch the video Jason Whitlock with MArcellius probably have the best debate show right now ..real talk

Jason Whitlock is a piece of shyt c00n. fukk him, hopefully he dies from a hear attack sooner than later

 

[bdkane]

He played 3 and 4 and I said proto-stretch 4 for a reason, but you can legit say he was one of the onees to start that and show what that skill set at that size could do if they could ball handle and shoot at range.

Rick Barry kinda did this also.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Steph is nowhere near the level that Magic (and Bird), Bron & Jordan had. There's really no one currently on that level, aside from Lebron.



But from what he's saying, aside from Magic & Bird who started this, it has worked out that way. And they skipped some generations. From my understanding of what he's saying, moving the game that much further into global recognition, it has been like that. Magic and Bird pushed the game exponentially, then MJ came and took it another couple of notches, Lebron came and took it another couple of notches.

I agree with Steph. It being on that level but what has Lebron really changed in the league though? I don’t recall the league changing anything in his wake unless you want to say he influenced point forwards.

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

Transcendent. Transformational. Transformer. We just throwing out adjectives for talking points on these shows at this point

 

[theGoldmangod]

I agree to an extent. I don't think Bron is transformational if Wade isn't though. To consider either transformational you have to think about how they transformed their position in terms of Wade as a combo guard and Bron as a point forward. Otherwise what would make Bron transformational and Wade not? Its not just about being the best player.

 

[Sadbrownsfan]

I think he makes valid points. Those guys are great but they didn't really create transformational shifts in the league play style or approach to stopping them. I think you can argue AI is more transformational than Kobe, Wade, Bird.

I mean that’s super narrow definition of transformational. I guess you could argue Kobe’s mindset,skills, and personality were less transforming and more and extension of Jordan but all created huge shifts in the league like that. Maybe not culturally.

I know it’s 2018 and Lebron has the longevity and reached a higher overall peak as well but wade lead the push with bron, and tmac as the ultra talented perimeter player looking to pass as much as score. In fact he had the all around game Bron is know for aside from destroying anyone 1 on 1 mentally and athletically (denfense, off ball play) way sooner because he was farther along in his development.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I just watched the clip. What a nonsense ass talking point. It's like nikkas go outta their way not to discuss actual gameplay, but the narrative off the court.

 

[livindajetlife]

Even if you disagree his perspective and reasoning actually make sense. He didn’t even shyt on Bird (even though of course c00nlock and Wiley tried to make it seem like he only said it because it’s racial). All Jim really said is that Lebron, Mike, and Magic were on a whole different level above everyone else.

Word and that’s facts

 

[johnedwarduado]

Listen to an nba bust brehs

 

[Jplaya2023]

Listen to an nba bust brehs

Never seen jim jackson play brehs

He was far from a bust

 

[nieman]

Those players were great but for you to even bring them up in the same vein as Steph, Magic & Mike as far as flipping the game upside down tells me all I need to know

Jimmy Jax is not even talking solely about basketball though. You keep thinking he means a basketball conversation. I keep mentioning branding - time & time again. Steph is on Under Armour. Are his commercials everywhere? Are people talking about Steph commercials like they did Magic & Bird, Lebron, MJ? Is his face everywhere? Does he have that larger than life appeal? Steph isn't even on Shaq's level as far as that echelon of superstardom goes.

Magic was larger than life. Magic was everywhere. However, Magic & Bird were mentioned as a tandem, so where you heard Magic, Bird got damn near equal billing rights. Magic references had Celtics mentions. It is what it is. Jordan anything swept everything in it's path. Even to this day, people are lined up for the 300th release of sneakers from 20 years ago. Lebron came in and was given the league, however, Lebron lived up to it, surpassing it. Steph is not making those type of moves. Steph is not in this stratosphere. Does Steph have a McD's commercial like HORSE Magic & Bird, MJ's, Lebron's? He can't even get MVP for his Finals - the marketing wave is not behind Steph like they were for others.

 

[Sunalmighty]

Bird is transformational.
To be a legit ball handling proto-stretch 4 .
Its absurd to say he wasn't tranformational.
Jordan wasn't transformational either in terms of play style, so I can see why he would say his "heirs" in d-wade and Kobe aren't transformational either. The only thing special about Jordan was how Stern changed the ruleset and marketed the league to support only Jordan.

what rules were changed specifically to support MJ