Jill Scott Says Boys Don't Need Male Role Models

[PartyHeart]

well, i dont agree to that. what i agree with is women need to actually learn how to build serious relationships with men who wouldn't mind having their kids. instead of this generation of meeting of social sites and fukking the same day. i mean, something has to give. a guy isn't going to respect a girl he just met and fukked, most would not stick around for the aftermath

If this is what you really want to see then let me just tell you that your approach makes no sense. You can know how to build serious relationships all you want, if there are no partners to do it with you are stuck. Either single or with a deadbeat. So it must happen that Black men become more relationship oriented, and that can only happen with Black men encouraging that amongst each other. Y'all obviously don't want to listen to Black women so do it yourselves if thats what you truly want to see.

And do you know the type of partners who are relationship-oriented and "wouldn't mind having kids"? The ones who are accountable for their actions. And Black men will NEVER become accountable for their actions by excusing every wrong thing they do in favor of critiquing Black women's "choices".

please dont start with what other races do. other races of women dont glorify the bottom, while shunning those w/the most potential.

Doesn't happen. Every other race of men complains about women supposedly shunning "nice guys" (I disagree that this even happens but that's another topic). No other race of women however has the same issue with being forced to take care of children alone as the American Black woman. Why is that?

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Nope.

No woman is taking your semen from you and impregnating herself, and any man who is sexually active should know the way babies are made. If you have sex with a woman unprotected, she CAN get pregnant. Even if you are there is still a chance she can. Now if there is conception, yes she decides what she wants to do with her body, but she never gets to that point without your seed so you cannot negate the man's responsibility. Period.

This type of 'male logic' kills me. You want to claim so much power but literally shrink at the thought of the responsibility that comes with it and point every finger you have at women.

I call BS! Ours and whoever else seeds these nasty bit&hes let erupt in them. That's the problem with women of America and chiefly black women. No accountability or shame in ish they do. Messing with Tyrone with the 2 other babymommas and let that same dude have sex with her (protected or unprotected). They reside in the same proximity. He doesn't take care of the kids he have already but the said woman thinks he will change and be different for hers. There are no surprises for these mix ups but still no accountability to own to her part. She and the 2nd babymomma been done completely wrong. Smh.

Let's not forget that single mothers are raising these males and females. go figure.

 

[PartyHeart]

I call BS! Ours and whoever else seeds these nasty bit&hes let erupt in them. That's the problem with women of America and chiefly black women. No accountability or shame in ish they do. Messing with Tyrone with the 2 other babymommas and let that same dude have sex with her (protected or unprotected). They reside in the same proximity. He doesn't take care of the kids he have already but the said woman thinks he will change and be different for hers. There are no surprises for these mix ups but still no accountability to own to her part. She and the 2nd babymomma been done completely wrong. Smh.

Let's not forget that single mothers are raising these males and females. go figure.

Can you explain to me why she should feel shame and Tyrone should not? They are both clearly behaving in trifling ways. Why can we devote all this time to trying to change her choices and not his?

To me it sounds like y'all are saying Black men are too far gone to be saved and Black women aren't. Do you truly believe that?

 

[Darts]

Nope.

No woman is taking your semen from you and impregnating herself, and any man who is sexually active should know the way babies are made. If you have sex with a woman unprotected, she CAN get pregnant. Even if you are there is still a chance she can. Now if there is conception, yes she decides what she wants to do with her body, but she never gets to that point without your seed so you cannot negate the man's responsibility. Period.

This type of 'male logic' kills me. You want to claim so much power but literally shrink at the thought of the responsibility that comes with it and point every finger you have at women.

I never negated the man's responsibility, men who plant a seed should be responsible for seeing that seed grow healthy period. I merely stated that the ultimate power lies with females because it is their body that will be transformed by pregnancy and they can control if they want that to happen or not.

And did this dude say choosing to not have raw sex is mainly on women

Our community...no fukking wonder.

It's interesting, women love to shout from the rooftops "it's my body!!", "stop making decisions about my body!!"....but when it comes to the process (raw sex) that can potentially transform their body for 9 months and emotionally/mentally for many years after...it's all of a sudden " nope, not my responsibility it's the man that makes that choice".

I never understood this particular brand of female logic lol.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

I never negated the man's responsibility, men who plant a seed should be responsible for seeing that seed grow healthy period. I merely stated that the ultimate power lies with females because it is their body that will be transformed by pregnancy and they can control if they want that to happen or not.



It's interesting, women love to shout from the rooftops "it's my body!!", "stop making decisions about my body!!"....but when it comes to the process (raw sex) that can potentially transform their body for 9 months and emotionally/mentally for many years after...it's all of a sudden " nope, not my responsibility it's the man that makes that choice".

I never understood this particular brand of female logic lol.

Female logic is an oxymoron.

 

[PartyHeart]

I never negated the man's responsibility, men who plant a seed should be responsible for seeing that seed grow healthy period. I merely stated that the ultimate power lies with females because it is their body that will be transformed by pregnancy and they can control if they want that to happen or not.



It's interesting, women love to shout from the rooftops "it's my body!!", "stop making decisions about my body!!"....but when it comes to the process (raw sex) that can potentially transform their body for 9 months and emotionally/mentally for many years after...it's all of a sudden " nope, not my responsibility it's the man that makes that choice".

I never understood this particular brand of female logic lol.

I would never say that. I fully agree with women's responsibility in conception and most women who responded in here do too. Its us saying it is both the male and female's responsibility to prevent pregnancy equally. Its you who is trying to push the majority of the accountability on women. The irony of course is that now you all are insulted by having your role called expendable and unnecessary on the back end when the baby is born Thats why my post said men can't have it both ways.

You keep referencing the part of the process where the choice is entirely in the woman's hands (of course you all ignore that this privileged choice comes with the responsibility of carrying the child), but as stated, it never gets to that point without the man.

 

[marcuz]

If this is what you really want to see then let me just tell you that your approach makes no sense. You can know how to build serious relationships all you want, if there are no partners to do it with you are stuck. Either single or with a deadbeat. So it must happen that Black men become more relationship oriented, and that can only happen with Black men encouraging that amongst each other. Y'all obviously don't want to listen to Black women so do it yourselves.

listen, i hate this argument. it's like y'all want dudes like me to go around "father-shaming" dudes who have no difficulty cumming in black women raw. but let me say the wrong thing, it becomes a debate of "you just mad you cant get a black woman," and that comes from both genders. how is anyone going to fix a sinking ship with the other half still poking holes in it? the illusion that we can somehow shame the ill-prepared into a leadership role is never going to happen. what can happen is stopping young black girls from procreating at a young age with males they'll regret knowing.

And do you know the type of partners who are relationship-oriented and "wouldn't mind having kids"? The ones who are accountable for their actions. And Black men will NEVER become accountable for their actions by excusing every wrong thing they do in favor of critiquing Black women's "choices".

see, problem is, there's plenty of young men out there that fit this description. just like the thread ole boy made about black girls gravitating towards certain type of character. those dudes tend to get over looked until its too late a lot of these girls smarten up after the fact, after they've had a kid or two. then they want to start seeking someone a bit more 'stable'

Doesn't happen. Every other race of men complains about women supposedly shunning "nice guys" (I disagree that this even happens but that's another topic).

i agree with that. just seems like with blacks, there's always this extreme. you cant compare the asian dude on a motorcycle with some tattoos to a chief keef type. they have a saftynet and structure we lack, i dont even know why we're trying to compare. "bad boys" from their communities can go off and work for their parents or other family members. what happens to black males that start off on the wrong path early in school? our fukking safety net is a jail cell

 

[LAXtoNY]

Take those "Bohemian" bytches wit a grain of salt

Many times theyre just pothead hoes

 

[Jone2three45]

Yo, I'm truly sick of this shyt.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Can you explain to me why she should feel shame and Tyrone should not? They are both clearly behaving in trifling ways. Why we can devote all this time to trying to change her choices and not his?

To me it sounds like y'all are saying Black men are too far gone to be saved and Black women aren't. Do you truly believe that?

Men and not just black men are too far gone but let's keep it micro and say yes. Know why!? Because the black males are sexualized by their own mothers. "You gon' be a heartbreaker," "My baby got swag," or "My 4 year old gotta GF"... I grew up witnessing it. It is messy. Black females are raised a lot tougher with a tad bit more morals just doesn't go across correctly like "Don't be a hoe out here sucking these lil boys dikk. At least for free" Yes, mothers talk to daughters so gracefully. Daughters get put out of homes before sons! I am deviating off subject. lol. However, a woman should be repellant against sexual advances despite attraction and know the risks and negative consequences of laying down with those choice men.

 

[Rawtid]

I never negated the man's responsibility, men who plant a seed should be responsible for seeing that seed grow healthy period. I merely stated that the ultimate power lies with females because it is their body that will be transformed by pregnancy and they can control if they want that to happen or not.



It's interesting, women love to shout from the rooftops "it's my body!!", "stop making decisions about my body!!"....but when it comes to the process (raw sex) that can potentially transform their body for 9 months and emotionally/mentally for many years after...it's all of a sudden " nope, not my responsibility it's the man that makes that choice".

I never understood this particular brand of female logic lol.

"It's my body" doesn't really have anything to do with who can potentially get screwed if a woman becomes pregnant. I think both parties should be careful in regards to having children but men get the short end of the stick.

If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want a baby, she can opt for an abortion. A man has NO legal options. A woman can take dude downtown for child support and he's legally obligated to pay...for the next 18 years. Doesn't matter if he wanted the kid or not. Why a dude would leave their fate up to a woman just for some raw sex is beyond me.

 

[Jone2three45]

I honestly hate when celebs speak on any regular peoples issues. They are too disconnected from reality to speak on how we should live.


Her ass became afrocentric to get famous. She wasn't always like that

Yeah, I noticed the change indefinitely when she changed her hair style from natural to full on weave in that movie with Robin Thickie wife. She's a fraud, they all are....even Badu too.

 

[marcuz]

they want us to shame tyrone while they keep fukking tyrone.

they believe its possible to dust off a man that ignored education, sold drugs, got a record, has no motivation, and turn him into the next barack obama. thats what these women actually believe is possible. they want the guy that has 4 kids by 3 different chicks to somehow be a father to all them equally and provide with absolutely 0 resources. black women really dont want to go into the specifics of their rhetoric or they'd realize how crazy it sounds.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

"It's my body" doesn't really have anything to do with who can potentially get screwed if a woman becomes pregnant. I think both parties should be careful in regards to having children but men get the short end of the stick.

If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want a baby, she can opt for an abortion. A man has NO legal options. A woman can take dude downtown for child support and he's legally obligated to pay...for the next 18 years. Doesn't matter if he wanted the kid or not. Why a dude would leave their fate up to a woman just for some raw sex is beyond me.

That right there is spot on and I evaded a jam with a chick who tried to spring a kid on me but a paternity test was needed to exonerate me. However, I couldn't be too pissed because I had unprotected sex and got myself caught up. Now, I know it isn't worth it.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

they want us to shame tyrone while they keep fukking tyrone.

they believe its possible to dust off a man that ignored education, sold drugs, got a record, has no motivation into the next barack obama. thats what these women actually believe is possible. they want the guy that has 4 kids by 3 different chicks to somehow be a father to all them equally and provide with absolutely 0 resources. black women really dont want to go into the specifics of their rhetoric or they'd realize how crazy it sounds.

Preach!