Jays subliminal shots at Ma$e on "ride or die"

[jilla82]

HERE ...http://sarcasticdbag.blogspot.com/2009/08/mase-recalls-days-when-beating-from-wu.html .. he say's he bad mouthed ghost at a show ...

and the broke jaw and metals plates slowed his style. thats why he sounds like he talks with a bag full of marbles.

So vulgar

 

[Jhoon]

Thread got me listening to vol 2 again, god damn the production aged horribly

i made a post talking about me skipping jay's verses on most of the tracks.

 

[jerzboy]

Rakim is known for that. Wish he woulda dropped that album on aftermath though. I wish somebody can do a documentary on subliminals and hidden stories with rappers.

Don't worry some trust fund babies are already on it...

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

Rakim is known for that. Wish he woulda dropped that album on aftermath though. I wish somebody can do a documentary on subliminals and hidden stories with rappers.

Don't worry some trust fund babies are already on it...

http://escobar300.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/the-hidden-jabs-from-shawn-carter-part-1-by-vic-da-ruler/

http://escobar300.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/the-hidden-jabs-of-shawn-carter-part-ii/

Somebody already did Jay

 

[jerzboy]

"Vol 2" gets what I call "Revisionist" hate. There's a lot of new Jay fans mad it was more successful than albums like "Blueprint" and "The Black Album". The only beef I have with "Vol 2" was I felt Jay leaned to hard on the features. He didn't carry the album cause of that. If you have to many features than I'm sorry you aren't carrying your album period. With that said he shined on every damn song. It reminds me of "Capitol Punishment" that same year. Pun had callabo's out the ass but he bodied each track. Jay went in on each track on Vol 2. Also because it's Jay's most popular and successful album fans think it's cool to sh!t on. Since I'm one of Jay's day 1 fans I tend to enjoy "Reasonable Doubt, Vol 1 and Vol 2" than a lot of his later albums and work.

It's not just that. While I agree that Jay was in a zone then, and just spitting flames... The production on that album was REALLY bad. I thought that then, and it sounds even worse now....

SOmeone needs to remake this album with new production, minus the tracks that still bang

 

[NvrCMyNut]

The production aged so bad it's makes it hard for anyone who didn't experience the album when it initially dropped to appreciate it.

 

[vampire xtc]

you are still speculating and Mase sold over 4 million and thats not adding the shows he did, Mase was a bigger cashcow than Jay was at the time. Plus Jays little sales would have to be split at least 3 times so no way is he a clear winner maybe close but Mase made more money.

ok lets do simply math...


industry standard AT THAT TIME was 3 - 7 out of 100 point for the artist(dmx had said he was gettin 3 points for a reference)

every point is 8 cents

7 points 8 cent per point

means every album sold mase would get 56 cent per album sold assuming he made 7 points per which he more than likely didnt because a yield that high is reserver for groups but lets over shoot for arguements sake shall we


so 56 cents times the 4 mil you claimed

2.24 mil

now this is before taxes and lawyers fees paying back recording advances etc...

but still a nice number right?

oh wait i know shows/features etc...

back then there were no MSG shows to sell out and back then the entire badboy roster didnt sell out msg but thats due to the market didnt exist for hip hop shows back then

they did smaller shows but lets say with features and shows

an extra million


3.24 mil before taxes lawyer fees etc..

again not bad right?


now jay z...

jay z dame dash and biggs burke made a deal with defjam to bring rocafella over from its original distributor which was freeze/priority records

that deal was for 30 mil


split 3 ways

10 mil for jay

mind you hes already up without selling a single record of single yet


so now since he is a co owner as well as an artist literally signed to himself

he gets paid on both ends

he will as the label owner make sure his artist(himself) gets the full 7 points per album sold

plus as label ceo he gets a huge spread of the 100 points which as we all know the label makes 75-80% of the money the artist generates anyway

now of course he splits this a number of ways between his label partners and defjam

so split 4 ways the remaining 93 points jay would get

23.25 points PLUS his 7 artist points making him earn 30.25 points per unit sold

heres the math again

30.25 points means he makes $2.42 cents per unit sold which is 5 times what mase makes per unit sold


so jay sells 500K at $2.42 per unit he nets 1.21mil

lets compare though for arguments sake

mase sells 500K = 280K

jay sells 500K = 1.21mil


heres another

mase sells 1 mil = 560K

jay sells 1 mil = 2.42mil



see this is why i stated earlier your logic is flawed

mase can sell all the units he wants at the end of the day he has a standard artist deal


jay has a ceo label deal AND an artist deal


its stacked against mase no matter how you look at it


jay doesnt have to match mase 4 mil in sales


now mase had a point at that time he had platinum sales and jay didnt

but its a hollow brag considering he makes 5 times what he makes per unit anyway

but mase was using his limelight as a weapon which i get


so now math class is dismissed


if you wish to peronally feel mase made/had more money you go right on ahead


but the reality is he did not

 

[BlackDiBiase]

ok lets do simply math...


industry standard AT THAT TIME was 3 - 7 out of 100 point for the artist(dmx had said he was gettin 3 points for a reference)

every point is 8 cents

7 points 8 cent per point

means every album sold mase would get 56 cent per album sold assuming he made 7 points per which he more than likely didnt because a yield that high is reserver for groups but lets over shoot for arguements sake shall we


so 56 cents times the 4 mil you claimed

2.24 mil

now this is before taxes and lawyers fees paying back recording advances etc...

but still a nice number right?

oh wait i know shows/features etc...

back then there were no MSG shows to sell out and back then the entire badboy roster didnt sell out msg but thats due to the market didnt exist for hip hop shows back then

they did smaller shows but lets say with features and shows

an extra million


3.24 mil before taxes lawyer fees etc..

again not bad right?


now jay z...

jay z dame dash and biggs burke made a deal with defjam to bring rocafella over from its original distributor which was freeze/priority records

that deal was for 30 mil


split 3 ways

10 mil for jay

mind you hes already up without selling a single record of single yet


so now since he is a co owner as well as an artist literally signed to himself

he gets paid on both ends

he will as the label owner make sure his artist(himself) gets the full 7 points per album sold

plus as label ceo he gets a huge spread of the 100 points which as we all know the label makes 75-80% of the money the artist generates anyway

now of course he splits this a number of ways between his label partners and defjam

so split 4 ways the remaining 93 points jay would get

23.25 points PLUS his 7 artist points making him earn 30.25 points per unit sold

heres the math again

30.25 points means he makes $2.42 cents per unit sold which is 5 times what mase makes per unit sold


so jay sells 500K at $2.42 per unit he nets 1.21mil

lets compare though for arguments sake

mase sells 500K = 280K

jay sells 500K = 1.21mil


heres another

mase sells 1 mil = 560K

jay sells 1 mil = 2.42mil



see this is why i stated earlier your logic is flawed

mase can sell all the units he wants at the end of the day he has a standard artist deal


jay has a ceo label deal AND an artist deal


its stacked against mase no matter how you look at it


jay doesnt have to match mase 4 mil in sales


now mase had a point at that time he had platinum sales and jay didnt

but its a hollow brag considering he makes 5 times what he makes per unit anyway

but mase was using his limelight as a weapon which i get


so now math class is dismissed


if you wish to peronally feel mase made/had more money you go right on ahead


but the reality is he did not

Still a lot of assumptions and speculating, you dont know what def jam deal jay got you are simply guessing. Mase didnt get taxed because of his age and hiphop still did major venue numbers so there is a lot of holes in your point.

simply put, Mase at the time drew more money than Jay-Z.

 

[Abstract83]

ok lets do simply math...


industry standard AT THAT TIME was 3 - 7 out of 100 point for the artist(dmx had said he was gettin 3 points for a reference)

every point is 8 cents

7 points 8 cent per point

means every album sold mase would get 56 cent per album sold assuming he made 7 points per which he more than likely didnt because a yield that high is reserver for groups but lets over shoot for arguements sake shall we


so 56 cents times the 4 mil you claimed

2.24 mil

now this is before taxes and lawyers fees paying back recording advances etc...

but still a nice number right?

oh wait i know shows/features etc...

back then there were no MSG shows to sell out and back then the entire badboy roster didnt sell out msg but thats due to the market didnt exist for hip hop shows back then

they did smaller shows but lets say with features and shows

an extra million


3.24 mil before taxes lawyer fees etc..

again not bad right?


now jay z...

jay z dame dash and biggs burke made a deal with defjam to bring rocafella over from its original distributor which was freeze/priority records

that deal was for 30 mil


split 3 ways

10 mil for jay

mind you hes already up without selling a single record of single yet


so now since he is a co owner as well as an artist literally signed to himself

he gets paid on both ends

he will as the label owner make sure his artist(himself) gets the full 7 points per album sold

plus as label ceo he gets a huge spread of the 100 points which as we all know the label makes 75-80% of the money the artist generates anyway

now of course he splits this a number of ways between his label partners and defjam

so split 4 ways the remaining 93 points jay would get

23.25 points PLUS his 7 artist points making him earn 30.25 points per unit sold

heres the math again

30.25 points means he makes $2.42 cents per unit sold which is 5 times what mase makes per unit sold


so jay sells 500K at $2.42 per unit he nets 1.21mil

lets compare though for arguments sake

mase sells 500K = 280K

jay sells 500K = 1.21mil


heres another

mase sells 1 mil = 560K

jay sells 1 mil = 2.42mil



see this is why i stated earlier your logic is flawed

mase can sell all the units he wants at the end of the day he has a standard artist deal


jay has a ceo label deal AND an artist deal


its stacked against mase no matter how you look at it


jay doesnt have to match mase 4 mil in sales


now mase had a point at that time he had platinum sales and jay didnt

but its a hollow brag considering he makes 5 times what he makes per unit anyway

but mase was using his limelight as a weapon which i get


so now math class is dismissed


if you wish to peronally feel mase made/had more money you go right on ahead


but the reality is he did not

Coli Accountants at it again. U gotta love it

 

[Rapmastermind]

There is no debate. Ma$e was a Bigger Brand than Jay Z at that time. Who had more money or not is not really relevant to the conversation because this is about Ma$e telling Jay, "You are not a Platinum artist" and he was right 100%. Though Jay went in on both of his subliminal disses and yes both songs are dope. Neither song refuted Ma$e point on "Love Me". At that time, Biggie in death, NaS cause he was coming off "I.W.W." and DMX as well as Ma$e were all bigger than Jay Z. The numbers don't lie.

 

[MoneyBags]

I bought those and The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill at the same time.

no knock, but why would a young nikka buy a Lauryn Hill album? I can't imagine teenage dudes listening to r&B songs by girls about men like that.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

no knock, but why would a young nikka buy a Lauryn Hill album? I can't imagine teenage dudes listening to r&B songs by girls about men like that.

lauren kinda knew how to rap to breh

 

[DopeMan]

delete

 

[DeuceZ]

subliminals bs

no knock, but why would a young nikka buy a Lauryn Hill album? I can't imagine teenage dudes listening to r&B songs by girls about men like that.

Ms Hill's album was more of a hip hop soul record..Like a female version of common.....definitely not an rnb record, there's a reason it was so successful....

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

no knock, but why would a young nikka buy a Lauryn Hill album? I can't imagine teenage dudes listening to r&B songs by girls about men like that.

Got it of the strength she was the best rapper in the Fuggees, her appearance on guantanamera ... and the lost one single cause she was going at Clef..