Jason Kidd is one of the most overrated players ever

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Some horrible takes on J Kidd in this thread. Makes me wonder did you see him play, or ya'll just going the analytics route.

He's one of the best passers in NBA history, #2 all time in assists.

Struggled with his shot early in his career, but by the midpoint became a knock down 3 point shooter.

One of the smartest players in the league.

Played great defense.

In transition he was murder, but also knew how to orchestrate an offense in the half court. Had Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, and Richard Jefferson looking like all stars.

And perhaps most importantly, always made his team better.

Ya'll outta pocket with the disrespect :hhh:
 
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Why won't you do his teammates? :sas2:

Funny how you don't mention that Pistons team had back to back DPOY Ben Wallace or that they had the best record in the Eastern Conference that season :pachaha:
Why are you talking about Kerry kittles and them in a thread about kidd being overrated? Wtf does Ben Wallace have to do with Jason Kidd? The moment the eastern guards got better he became a memory. Props for our performing the ghost of Kenny Anderson and Jamal Tinsley :dead:. How'd he do against the Lakers? Every wing for LA shot > 51% vs them :heh:. 20 year old tony Parker dropped 26 on his head in a finals game where kidd shot 31% and scored 12.

His career is full of individual accolades and terrible playoff performances where better guards made him fold.
 

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Naw I can't roll with that. As a Nets fan he helped make us competive with a Frankensteins monster of a team composition. Any one who says he didn't make the team better doesn't realize we'd be a lottery team without him being a stabilizing force.
 

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Dont act like he was a singular addition going into that year. The following players started at least 35 games:

Starbury
Keith van horn
Kmart
Evan eschmeier (???)
Luscious Harris
Stephen Jackson
Johnny Newman started 17 games

The next year:
Jason kidd
Kvh
Kerry kittles
Todd maculloh
Kmart
With Richard Jefferson playing in every game and coming of age

The whole team was better. Obvious kidd was a part of it but he definitely benefitted from the pistons, Celtics, sixers, Knicks, and cavs all being down and the pacers being in a brief retool mode. As soon as the other teams got their shyt together kidd was over. Like I said, Billups especially destroyed him in every game that mattered

Look at those names. Young and Inexperienced, just like I said. The end result? Jason Kidd made them seem better than they were.

K-Mart was a nonfactor at Denver, with no real PG to set him up, he couldn't create his own shot. He was tailor made to play alongside Kidd.

RJ was a Rookie or in his 2nd Season, but he wasn't seen as some Gamechanger or potential All-Star either.

Keith Van Horne - known for the Tim Thomas Trade

Kittles - Kidd took away his pressure to having to perform.

Look at the Season before, you think a Lucious Harris lead team is going to be vying for Playoff Contention :mjlol:

They would have been better off with old man Sam Cassell.

Kmart rj and kittles and Rodney Rogers were the only players in double figures :dead:. They only scored 14 points the entire 1st quarter :heh:. They got sonned and nobody on that roster was the same again.

I mixed the game up with another one. My mistake... but Sonned? The Nets were up 3 Games to 2 that Series, but the Pistons turned the heat up Defensively on them even more the last Two Games. They were the better team that year, and went on to embarrass the Lakers in the Finals.

And you throwing out Rodney Rodgers name like he was a 2nd or 3rd Option :stopitslime:
 

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Some horrible takes on J Kidd in this thread. Makes me wonder did you see him play, or ya'll just going the analytics route.

He's one of the best passers in NBA history, #2 all time in assists.

Struggled with his shot early in his career, but by the midpoint became a knock down 3 point shooter.

One of the smartest players in the league.

Played great defense.

In transition he was murder, but also knew how to orchestrate an offense in the half court. Had Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, and Richard Jefferson looking like all stars.

And perhaps most importantly, always made his team better.

Ya'll outta pocket with the disrespect :hhh:
Yeah. The thing is dudes were raised by YTers and ESPN hot take shows, and since evey boy imitates his father...it adds up that dudes would parrot these shuck and jive tactics.....and post threads like this.
 

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Breh that is hyperbole

THE most overrated?
Stop it. Most overrated player of the last 30 years? GTFOH he never won an MVP let alone back to back like Steve Nash.


Don't bother - that poster has this wildly irrational hatred of point guards who are intelligent, unathletic, or a plus on defense. He stans the fukk out of every low-IQ ultra-athletic guard who doesn't play defense (the Westbrook or D-Rose model) and tries to devalue every other point guard in comparison, especially ones known for their defense or bball IQ (from the CP3's to the Jason Kidd's).

I'm convinced he went through high school as a short, athletic point guard who could never get playing time because he put up dumb shots and made careless turnovers, and has spent his adult life lashing out at the guys who remind him of teammates who started over him.
 

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I am not sure why Jason Kidds offensive talents were brought up as a 1st topic. He was a traditional pass-first point guard. He had an awkward jumpshot from day 1. He wasn't drafted to be that.

He was drafted to facilitate to Jimmy Jackson and Jamal Mashburn. Any baskets he scored in transition were icing on the cake.

He was a great rebounder from the guard position. He saw the floor exceptionally well and got everyone involved.

Y'all are looking at his career in the context of what point guards transitioned to.
Can you explain why he ran mid to lower level offenses? That’s the only thing anyone has pointed out in this thread as a critique.
 

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but also knew how to orchestrate an offense in the half court
Completely not true. His middle to lower level offenses show that.

The only playoff success he had as a number one was in a horrendous conference and as the 4th option in Dallas.
 

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Why are you talking about Kerry kittles and them in a thread about kidd being overrated? Wtf does Ben Wallace have to do with Jason Kidd? The moment the eastern guards got better he became a memory. Props for our performing the ghost of Kenny Anderson and Jamal Tinsley :dead:. How'd he do against the Lakers? Every wing for LA shot > 51% vs them :heh:. 20 year old tony Parker dropped 26 on his head in a finals game where kidd shot 31% and scored 12.

His career is full of individual accolades and terrible playoff performances where better guards made him fold.

Why are you talking about Kerry kittles and them in a thread about kidd being overrated?

Because surely going to the finals two years in a row with teammates like Kerry Kittles and Lucious Harris puts to bed the argument y'all were putting forward earlier that he never had any good playoffs games or playoffs series?

Wtf does Ben Wallace have to do with Jason Kidd?

You're the one that started mentioning random players he played against in his finals runs :yeshrug:

How'd he do against the Lakers?

Oh wow, he wasn't good enough to propel said bums like Kittles and Keith Van Horn to a title against prime Shaq averaging 36 with Kobe averaging 27 as the 2nd option :ohhh:
 

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That says a lot breh. At his absolute peak at no point did you think Jason Kidd was a championship caliber pg, even as he went to the finals twice.

If we were a better team top to bottom yes. But Jason elevated the roster more than I think any other point guard at that time would have but we had no illusions we were beating the Lakers or the Spurs.
 
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