Essential Japanese Wrestling Discussion/News

[Jmare007]

We need a new Maeda, dude was a visionary, an innovator and a Hall of Fame magnet and creator of fukkery

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

The Super Jrs really going in or this is just bullshyt because a bit of extra flips and dips?

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Can't believe people are hyping up BOTSJ This is the first time in like....15 years I recall any hype for it. What's the watch list, I might try to watch a few matches before bed because if I don't start before the G1 I'm definitely never watching any of these matches

This just isn't true at all. This is the exact same level of hype the BOSJ has had since Ricochet/Osprey started civil wars on the internet with their BOSJ matches. shyt, Kushida/KOR final was like 4-5 years ago.

The only difference is every year, more and more western IWC nerds get mesmerized by the gifs and start saying dumb shyt on twitter.

 

[stro]

I watched Shingo/SHO and thought it was heatless and emotionless and boring, so if I'm not into that I'm probably not going to be into any of the rest of it. Guess I'll skip BOTSJ like I always do

 

[Jmare007]

I watched Shingo/SHO and thought it was heatless and emotionless and boring, so if I'm not into that I'm probably not going to be into any of the rest of it. Guess I'll skip BOTSJ like I always do

Get the fukk outta here, you hate watched the whole tournament like 2 years ago in this same thread

I even asked why you did it and you were like " I don't know"

 

[stro]

Did I? I was still drinking then, I don't recall

 

[stro]

SHO's aesthetics on point though

 

[Jmare007]

Finally watched...

That Korakuen magic

28 minutes is fukking ridiculous though, working the leg in 2019 should be banned at this point. There's nothing to gain from doing it as a focal point of a match, the other wrestler can't do shyt without looking like shytty selling. But Korakuen was all in for Rocky's story and for Phantasmo's heel fukkery, so every flaw this had was easily to forget because it was still compelling to watch. The last 5 minutes or so are fukking awesome without having to resort to excess (though kicking out at 1 was fukking retarded). Very good match.

 

[Jmare007]

Did I? I was still drinking then, I don't recall

Had to hit the search bar to see if I wasn't making shyt up...

I forgot to post this here

NJPW Best Of The Super Juniors 2017 Part 1

I'm not feeling the BOTSJ AT ALL. Even shyt that should be lit as hell like Takahashi/Dragon Lee 15, or Ricochet/Ospreay, or Ricochet/Dragon Lee are pretty whatever. A big issue to me is that almost everyone has the same move sets (pumphandle move, corner move, running corner strike, seated running strike, flippy counter to something like a headscissors or arm ringer, Canadian destroyer , apron bump) that makes all matches feel pretty interchangeable regardless of who is involved. There's also the game G1 issue that everyone goes balls out on the first and second nights, then coasts the rest of the tour until the final night. The 1 cam house show shyt sure doesn't help, as guys take it extra easy on those nights.

But fukk Marty Scurll. God, he's absolutely dog shyt. What a terrible, terrible fit for such a tournament. Can't bump, isn't athletic, doesn't catch dives, terrible comedy that makes Taichi look solid. Even Ricochet/Ospreay, kings of flippy fukkery, had a match that was essentially derivative of a 1996 WCW cruiserweight match with a few extra rotations.

You can't have Kenny Omega in the main events as a heavyweight doing what he does and then expect me to believe what the juniors do is super impressive and unique. It's the issue the WWE cruiserweights have. Why are their flippy dippies supposed to impress me when Kevin Owens, Cesaro, and Roman Reigns are doing dives as well?

Taichi: Garbage
Taguchi: Garbage
Volodor: Pretty unimpressive
Taka: Flabby and Sick
Liger: He's 50 something years old, come on
Kanemura: Garbage
Dragon Lee: Fun
Ricochet: Fun
Ospreay: Sometimes fun, often too stupid to find entertaining
Scurll: Dog shyt
Takahashi: Da gawd
Tiger Mask IV: Sucked even 20 years ago
Desperado: Meh
ACH: Didn't have particularly good showings, also in a shytty block, though
Bushi: Eh


Combine that with most of the matches being interchangeable with fancy flippy counters to start, a bunch of poses, teases of a dive, then a dive, an apron bump, a corner move, finishing sequence where the actual finisher is less devastating than the move done right before it. Some of those half assed house show one cam shot matches getting 4+ stars from DM is his NJPW boner showing as usual. Those same matches on 205 Live would have people shytting on them for being boring or pointless. If you agree with Dave's assessment of the quality if the BOTSJ, I ain't stopping you. You like what you like. I was bored to shyt and having not yet seen Ospreay/Kushida, I'd say the best match was probably Liger vs Takahashi, just because it didn't follow the strict formula that the other matches seemed to.

I'm not begging for big stories during BOTSJ, but they weren't even particularly impressive from an athletic/bump standpoint, either. At some point cartwheeling and backflipping out of an arm ringer is pretty boring.

Ole gonna Ole senile amnesia included.

 

[stro]

Lol that seems familiar now that it's in front of me

 

[Honga Ciganesta]

I watched Shingo/SHO and thought it was heatless and emotionless and boring, so if I'm not into that I'm probably not going to be into any of the rest of it. Guess I'll skip BOTSJ like I always do

This is just objectively wrong. Crowd was hot. Are your ears giving you trouble OLD MAN.

I'm think I'm as old as you

But certainly don't check anything else if that match didn't appeal, most of the others are emotionless spotfests. I call them emolessfests. That's a trademarked term of the Honga Universe

 

[stro]

Crowd sounded dead silent to me, maybe it was the English commentary audio issues or something, but even when they laid out it sounded pretty quiet outside of near falls near the end.

 

[Jmare007]

But certainly don't check anything else if that match didn't appeal, most of the others are emotionless spotfests. I call them emolessfests. That's a trademarked term of the Honga Universe

I've trademarked "holdfest" for matches like Yehi vs Daniel Makabe were there's a bunch of cool holds and struggle for control, but none of them mean anything for the development and ending of the match. Should've coined it sooner with ZSJ matches

We in the "fest" era

 

[Honga Ciganesta]

I've trademarked "holdfest" for matches like Yehi vs Daniel Makabe were there's a bunch of cool holds and struggle for control, but none of them mean anything for the development and ending of the match. Should've coined it sooner with ZSJ matches

We in the "fest" era

That's a good one Need a TSC dictionary up and running

 

[Scottie Drippin]

I've trademarked "holdfest" for matches like Yehi vs Daniel Makabe were there's a bunch of cool holds and struggle for control, but none of them mean anything for the development and ending of the match. Should've coined it sooner with ZSJ matches

We in the "fest" era

I just refer to all those dudes as grapplenerds