Essential Japanese Wrestling Discussion/News

[Jmare007]

Most thread over there are really useful for about 5-10 pages. After that it normally becomes repetitive or people start throwing shots at one another because they disagree about something. That's when I stop reading

Also, the rankings on GWE are fukking absurd. The Rock isn't even in the top 100, but Bobby Eaton (who I do love) is like top 20 all time. Jerry Lawler (I've seen the DVDVR Memphis comp, so I know his true body of work and know he was great in Memphis) in the top 10 over guys like Bret/Macho/Harley/Jumbo/Rude/Steamboat/Vader/Austin/HBK/Benoit/Eddie etc. To those people, The Rock and Chris Hero are 3-4 spots away from each other. Daniel Bryan is 5 OF ALL TIME. Like, come on brehs.

The GWE was never about the results to me. It was all about getting to watch new styles - I finally gave Lucha a shot (failed for the most part), confirmed my "meh" feeling about shoot style and loved the little I saw from WOS -, wrestlers and discuss about them (or read people discuss about them). Reading the results is useless if you don't take into account number of ballots and average vote. It's weird though, I posted the results of the project in this thread in April and we had a couple of debates with the brehs, including you (about Dusty), so I was a little surprised when you acted like the GWE was this new thing you never heard of before.

But anyways, it was 151 different people giving a ranking of 100 wrestlers, of course there's gonna be results someone doesn't agree with. People at PWO lost their shyt at some of the standings, legit meltdowns happened and whole podcast were made...it was fukking hilarious imo

I put Lawler in my top 5, way ahead of all those wrestlers you mentioned, I love his work and dude was dope for 30 years, way longer than any of them. People have different tastes, who cares

 

[Adam3000]

His complete shyt fit over people talking about Chris Hero's look because his wife had an eating disorder was the most ridiculous thing I've been a part of on the internet in years. This mother fukker was arguing things no one was even arguing, then getting mad about it. It was basically boiling down to you should never talk about a wrestler's body unless it is Rick Rude tier, because it might hurt the feelings of....fans watching. Somewhere. Even if its on a message board and said fans aren't involved in the conversation.

Also, the rankings on GWE are fukking absurd. The Rock isn't even in the top 100, but Bobby Eaton (who I do love) is like top 20 all time. Jerry Lawler (I've seen the DVDVR Memphis comp, so I know his true body of work and know he was great in Memphis) in the top 10 over guys like Bret/Macho/Harley/Jumbo/Rude/Steamboat/Vader/Austin/HBK/Benoit/Eddie etc. To those people, The Rock and Chris Hero are 3-4 spots away from each other. Daniel Bryan is 5 OF ALL TIME. Like, come on brehs.

Whats PWO? I wanna look at this place and see what excuses they have for people like Chris Hero and Zach Sabre Jr to never pick up a dumbbell in their life and yet wear underwear to the ring

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

 

[Jmare007]

Whats PWO? I wanna look at this place and see what excuses they have for people like Chris Hero and Zach Sabre Jr to never pick up a dumbbell in their life and yet wear underwear to the ring

Pro Wrestling Only. Breh, if you think those are "wrong" opinions you are gonna have a blast reading that board

 

[stro]

Most thread over there are really useful for about 5-10 pages. After that it normally becomes repetitive or people start throwing shots at one another because they disagree about something. That's when I stop reading



The GWE was never about the results to me. It was all about getting to watch new styles - I finally gave Lucha a shot (failed for the most part), confirmed my "meh" feeling about shoot style and loved the little I saw from WOS -, wrestlers and discuss about them (or read people discuss about them). Reading the results is useless if you don't take into account number of ballots and average vote. It's weird though, I posted the results of the project in this thread in April and we had a couple of debates with the brehs, including you (about Dusty), so I was a little surprised when you acted like the GWE was this new thing you never heard of before.

But anyways, it was 151 different people giving a ranking of 100 wrestlers, of course there's gonna be results someone doesn't agree with. People at PWO lost their shyt at some of the standings, legit meltdowns happened and whole podcast were made...it was fukking hilarious imo

I put Lawler in my top 5, way ahead of all those wrestlers you mentioned, I love his work and dude was dope for 30 years, way longer than any of them. People have different tastes, who cares

High level shoot style might be the GOAT wrestling style. But yeah, if you're watching a bunch of Yoji Anjo matches, it probably won't stick

 

[The Rainmaker]

A year or so ago I mentioned the publication of a book on the history of NJPW. Here it is if anyone wants to check it.

Spoiler

PrideLion.pdf

 

[BlackDynamite310]

It would have been Okada vs Kenny vs Natio for the IWGP heavyweight championship since Natio never got his rematch for the belt.

Kenny wins the G1 but on the road Natio beats him or okada by heel tactics or something idk but Natio demands his rematch and it becomes the first championship triple threat in how many years.

Match goes 5 stars maybe 6 in the Tokyo dome

Kenny wins everybody talks bout the match brings NJPW to the forefront in the US and internationally brings back stable wars with Chaos LIJ and Bullet Club
Storylines on top of storylines made

Vince and HHH are forced to do better

 

[stro]

NJPW is never going to do a triple threat main event of a dome show. Or any show.

 

[Jmare007]

NJPW is never going to do a triple threat main event of a dome show. Or any show.

Well, they did main event with a triple threat - it wasn't January 4th but it was still a Dome show - (Brock, Chono and Fujita) though I highly doubt they ever book one again considering it was during the last days of Inokism and it's just not their thing.

I think the only "important" triple threat New Japan booked after they got rid of the Inokis was the one with Devitt, Low Ki and Ibushi. But that was in the middle of the show for the Jr belt

 

[stro]

Btw, the 1999 1/4 is the best one of the decade by a LOT. shyt is mostly lit. Literally in the case of Kensuke Sasaki

 

[MightyHealthy]

This is the ultimate "proof Scott Norton was a beast in Japan" gif

 

[Jmare007]

This is the ultimate "proof Scott Norton was a beast in Japan" gif

Nah breh, dude trucking over Hash is the best example. Those matches were fun as fukk because Hash was never the "small one" during his matches except against Norton.

 

[MightyHealthy]

 

[stro]

Nah breh, dude trucking over Hash is the best example. Those matches were fun as fukk because Hash was never the "small one" during his matches except against Norton.

I would agree with this. Or his matches with Vader, or the way he would throw dudes like Chono and Hawk around like they were nothing. By 1999, Norton was definitely outside of his prime, but still a great dude to watch beat and throw people around. I've become such a big mark for him over the past few years. One of the most interesting things to me is that despite his size and style, he tried so hard with his bumping and selling that he was a genuinely sympathetic babyface in a match like the one with Mutoh, who keeps attacking and attacking and attacking Norton's leg until he has to give up. But it's like...this is SCOTT NORTON. Dude is built like a whiskey barrel. He's mean as fukk and beats people up. But you end up rooting him on even when he's the big mean heel if he's given any time to actually sell.

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

I would agree with this. Or his matches with Vader, or the way he would throw dudes like Chono and Hawk around like they were nothing. By 1999, Norton was definitely outside of his prime, but still a great dude to watch beat and throw people around. I've become such a big mark for him over the past few years. One of the most interesting things to me is that despite his size and style, he tried so hard with his bumping and selling that he was a genuinely sympathetic babyface in a match like the one with Mutoh, who keeps attacking and attacking and attacking Norton's leg until he has to give up. But it's like...this is SCOTT NORTON. Dude is built like a whiskey barrel. He's mean as fukk and beats people up. But you end up rooting him on even when he's the big mean heel if he's given any time to actually sell.

Absolutely true. There was a match i saw an eternity ago with him vs Sting where he actually bled. This was during his Scott "Flash" Norton squash matches in WCW days. I need to see that one again to see if it holds up but I remember thinking sting was a beast because he did that to a guy who hadnt even lost in WCW yet.