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Man I'm glad I don't know a word of Spanish now because I've always enjoyed Lucha commentary, I like the sound of the language I guess. I'm suprised to learn that they all suck (even worse than Raw). What's so bad about it exactly? Do they call the moves and get into storylines during big wager matches? Or do they just ramble on about nothing? I've always wondered about the content of commentary in both Lucha and Puro. I've watched a good amount of M-Pro and Joshi that didn't have any commentary and it's a pretty different experience, not terrible by any means though, interesting to hear every strike and crowd reaction.

It's a lot of things. Most of the time it's the completely lack of real emotion during commentary, even when they do sound hyped, it comes off as phony or almost reading lines of a script (like Cole's "vintage" line). Lucha play by play is also VERY unfocused, and spends a lot of time talking about shyt that doesn't add anything to the match. For example, a Dandy vs Satanico match will start great with Morales talking a little bit about their past, but then he'll talk about El Gran Davis ALL THE TIME and completely forget about what is going on in the ring. And again, the cadence is awful, he sounds uninterested and will regurgitate the same damn lines every fukking match.

I'm watching Satanico being awesome and Dandy doing amazing shyt in the ring and Morales keeps bugging me with his fukking commentary. Watching Lucha has become a chore (except Negro Casas, he's the only dude I'm able to zone out commentary and fully enjoy as a worker, not sure why) breh, don't think I can keep doing it :mjcry:
 

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Thanks for the explanation @Jmare007, sounds like it's a struggle for you breh :wow: All the times I've wondered what Lucha/Puro commentary was like I never once thought they could suck for some reason.

Dave gave Ishii/Honma five stars.

In a match that wasn’t even scheduled ahead of time, Tomohiro Ishii defeated Tomoaki Honma for the vacant Never Open weight title in what is almost certain to be a strong match of the year candidate to highlight New Japan’s New Beginning in Sendai on 2/14.

Ishii was scheduled to get a return title match with Togi Makabe, who beat him for the title at the 1/4 show at the Tokyo Dome. But Makabe was suffering from what was reported as a serious flu. It had to be really serious because the mentality of the Japanese wrestlers about missing dates is strong, let alone missing a title defense on a big show. Makabe had missed the Osaka PPV three days earlier and from that show, it appeared they were going to put Ishii vs. Satoshi Kojima in if a replacement was needed. Kojima was put in Makabe’s spot on that show and paired off with Ishii in a six-man tag.

However, when the broadcast opened, they announced Makabe was ill and would be vacating the title due to missing a title defense. The general rule in Japan dating back 50 years is that if a champion misses an announced title defense, the title is vacated, although I’m sure there are instances that hasn’t happened as well. When they announced Honma as Ishii’s opponent, the crowd popped, because that came out of nowhere.

Based on what I’ve seen so far, Ishii vs. Honma is right in the same category as Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kota Ibushi and Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada from the Tokyo Dome. I might go with Nakamura vs. Ibushi as the best of the three, but you could argue any of them, but I would say Honma’s individual performance in this match was the best all-around performance by a wrestler I’ve seen this year.

Perhaps the biggest revelation of the Sendai show is that, in hindsight, it tells you just how good Tanahashi vs. Okada was. Directly following a ***** match is very difficult. That’s why WWE, when it expects to have a killer match, follows with a buffer match. On this show, Nakamura vs. Yuji Nagata followed in the main event for the IC title. While they had a technically excellent match, they were unable to get the crowd anywhere near the level of the preceding match. In watching, I was both impressed with how well worked the main event was as far as execution and crispness, but in other ways also hit by what was missing.

Nakamura retained the title in a match built up with a video package of Nagata at home, with his wife (who looks a great deal like former 80s women’s wrestling star Yumi Ogura) and young son. The son, who looked to be about eight or so, was shown following in the family footsteps in doing amateur wrestling (Nagata was a national champion and Olympic hopeful in the early 90s before going pro, and his brother, Katsuhiko Nagata, won a silver medal in the 2000 Olympics). Late in the match, they showed his son, sitting at ringside, watching the match intently. The flaw in the match is that the crowd never reached a point where they really bought Nagata winning, and the finish, after one bom a ye, came out of nowhere and was somewhat flat.

Nagata after talked about the match revitalizing him. As noted last week, he had considered retirement, feeling they just weren’t doing anything with him. Now he said that his career goal is to win the IWGP heavyweight title at the age of 50, which he turns in 2018.

A second title change took place earlier in the show as Hiroyoshi Tenzan won the NWA heavyweight title from Rob Conway. The direction they seem to be teasing is a Tenzan vs. Kojima program for the title, which also may wind up at Invasion Attack. This would be almost the 10th anniversary of the legendary February 20, 2005, match at Sumo Hall where Kojima was Triple Crown champion and Tenzan was IWGP champion and they had the first-ever double title match which worked an entire match around the idea it was going the full 60 minutes, until Kojima won via knockout with 11 seconds left. Kojima become the only person in wrestling history to have held both titles at the same time. This was back when the Triple Crown title was still very important.

Given that direction, they may have decided this wasn’t the time to beat Kojima (although Kojima is likely to lose in the New Japan Cup), and thus that may be why they went with Honma instead of him for the Ishii match. The Honma match would have been better, but judging from Kojima vs. Ishii, they would have had a great match because when counted on for a big singles match, Kojima still always rises to the occasion.

The show, which drew a sellout of 2,900 fans at Sun Plaza Hall (sold out more than a week in advance) was mostly good. It was still not at the level of most of the company’s big shows in 2013 and 2014. It still shows where they are at when they are running major shows in arenas that size.

The company’s next tour, which starts with the 43rd anniversary show on 3/5 at the Ota Ward Gym in Tokyo, is the New Japan Cup tournament. It’s a 16-man single elimination tournament. The three champions, IWGP champion A.J. Styles, IC champion Nakamura, and Ishii, are not in the tournament. The winner will get to choose which title he’s going after on the 4/5 Invasion Attack show at Sumo Hall.

While not announced at press time, one would expect that all the tournament shows will air on New Japan World.

The 3/5 show has first round matches with Yoshi-Hashi vs. Yujiro Takahashi, Makabe vs. Honma, Kojima vs. Katsuyori Shibata, Nagata vs. Hirooki Goto, Kota Ibushi vs. Doc Gallows, Tetsuya Naito vs. Karl Anderson, Tanahashi vs. Toru Yano and Kazuchika Okada vs. Bad Luck Fale. Two other matches on the show are Jushin Liger & Kushida & Yohei Komatsu & Jay White vs. Tiger Mask & Ryusuke Taguchi & Mascara Dorada & Sho Tanaka, and Tenzan & Manabu Nakanishi & Captain New Japan vs. Nakamura & Ishii & Kazushi Sakuraba.

The second round will be 3/8 at Korakuen Hall. The Tanahashi vs. Yano winner faces the Ibushi vs. Gallows winner. The Naito vs. Anderson winner faces the Okada vs. Fale winner. The Makabe vs. Honma winner faces the Yoshi-Hashi vs. Takahashi winner. And the Nagata vs. Goto winner faces the Kojima vs. Shibata winner.

The semifinals and finals will be on 3/15 at the Sun Plaza Hall in Hiroshima. Most likely the winner is challenging Styles, which, given it’s Sumo Hall, would mean Okada and Tanahashi would be favored. I suppose Shibata or Ibushi are longshots. Just looking at this, Tanahashi over Yano is close to a given, but I don’t see them doing Tanahashi vs. Ibushi just yet, so Gallows may win that one. Okada beating Fale makes sense given Okada lost to Tanahashi at the Tokyo Dome and fell to Fale in a tag match. Either Naito or Anderson winning would be on that side, but whoever does, I’d expect Okada to beat them as well. Makabe is probably beating Honma and Takahashi over Yoshi-Hashi, although the crowd will be rooting for upsets in both of those. Can see Nagata and Shibata. If Okada is going over, I could see Gallows beating Tanahashi, if only because I can’t see a Tanahashi vs. Okada match as an early show match in Hiroshima. If Okada goes over, they could put Ibushi over Gallows and then have Ibushi be the guy to knock off Tanahashi and then lose to Okada. That booking sounds best on paper and it is more beneficial in the long run for Ibushi to get the big win over Tanahashi and set him up for either Nakamura or Ishii’s belt. But Ibushi looked more like he was headed for a singles match with Sakuraba on this show.

If Tanahashi is going over, then I could see Naito upsetting Okada and a Tanahashi vs. Naito final four match. But I sense Tanahashi or Okada going over on their side, and could see Nagata, Shibata or even Makabe on the other side. But it looks to be that Tanahashi or Okada should win.

Invasion Attack, which is the biggest show since the Dome, looks to have a lot of possibilities. Styles vs. Okada or Tanahashi is the likely main event, and to me, Okada is the one that makes the most sense, and then going back to Tanahashi vs. Nakamura for the IC title because that double headliner should sell out. Ishii vs. Makabe makes sense given that Makabe never lost the title in the ring. We’ve had teases of Goto & Shibata vs. Anderson & Gallows, Tenzan vs. Kojima, Ibushi vs. Sakuraba, Omega vs. Mascara Dorada for the IWGP jr. title, and there’s always a jr. tag title match. That’s almost too loaded a show so some of this may end up on a different card.

The next New Japan World event is a basic show with no foreign talent on 2/27 from Okinawa at 4:30 a.m. Eastern and 1:30 a.m. Pacific with Tanaka vs. Komatsu, Nakanishi & Kushida vs. Gedo & Jado, Liger & Tenzan vs. Kojima & Tiger Mask, Goto & Shibata vs. Nagata & Captain New Japan, Naito & Taguchi vs. Okada & Yoshi-Hashi and Tanahashi & Makabe & Honma vs. Nakamura & Ishii & Yano.

9. Tomohiro Ishii pinned Tomoaki Honma in 24:46 to win the vacant Never Open weight title. A must-see incredible match. They traded elbows right away. Then they started chopping the hell out of each other like the Kenta Kobashi vs. Kensuke Sasaki Tokyo Dome match. Big pop when Honma won the chop battle and hit the falling head-butt. From the start, the crowd was big into the idea of Honma winning the title. Even though the title was vacant, the crowd reacted to it like Ishii was defending. At one point, Honma tried a power bomb out of the corner but Ishii held onto the turnbuckle to stop the move. Honma eventually pulled him off, but Ishii then escaped the power bomb. Crowd was super hot when Honma kicked out of a delayed superplex. Honma ducked a lariat and hit the DDT and Ishii was selling like his right shoulder went out. He made that DDT more effective than any DDT in a long time. He sold it so well they teased a ref stoppage finish and got people buying it was a real injury. But Ishii wanted to continue. Then they started trading lariats, with Ishii selling the left shoulder. Honma used elbows, then hit a rabbit lariat (to the back of the head) which sent Ishii’s head into the steel turnbuckle, and Ishii was on the floor like he was knocked out. Honma then came off the top rope with a diving head-butt to the floor. That was nuts. The story was that Honma could have won the title at that point, but didn’t want a flat finish count out win, so he threw Ishii into the ring at 19. Honma landed a hard lariat, but Ishii just kicked out. Ishii hit a back suplex. They traded elbows until Ishii dropped him. Ishii then did a delayed top rope superplex, but on landing, it was Ishii selling that the left shoulder went out. By the time he covered, Honma kicked out. Honma used a Mascaras style cross head-butt and a delayed power brainbuster fora near fall. He then used a Mascaras style cross head-butt to the back of the head and a tombstone piledriver, but Ishii kicked out again. He did a falling head-butt to the back of the head and went to the top rope. He missed the diving head-butt and Ishii hit a desperation German suplex, but Honma popped up. Ishii got a one count with an enzuigiri. Honma did a shotgun lariat for a near fall. Then both nailed the other at the same time with a lariat and they both went down. They teased a double knockout finish but got up. At this point, both started selling the idea they were completely exhausted. They traded elbows, and then went back and forth until Ishii hit two- head-butts, a sliding rabbit lariat and finally hit a brainbuster for the pin. *****

It’s a funny story as people have told me Ishii is almost bemused by his reaction whether it’s the Observer awards of people in the U.S. talking about his matches. He spent so much of his career in anonymity, and while he’s been over pretty well on New Japan shows for a few years and is a cult favorite, he’s not pushed like one of the big three or four.

Love Ishii :to:
 

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Honma/Ishii was awesome, but Dave has gone full retard with New Japan. Not that it matters though.
 

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Eh this is just 90s all japan type love all over for dave. Hes a mark at the end of the day.
 

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Only the global force sponsored shows will have english commentary and there's only been one. The next ppv that will be in english is rumored to be in june.
 

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AXS Wants More New Japan
MMA fighter Josh Barnett, who recently announced his intent to resume his UFC career, was a guest on The MMA Hour this week and had some great news for wrestling fans.

According to Barnett, AXS TV is looking to sign two more seasons of their critically acclaimed New Japan Pro Wrestling series, that features some of the best matches from 2013 and 2014. The show is currently in its first season, and features Barnett and Mauro Ranallo on commentary.
If they can just start broadcasting shows like the Sendai event.....
 

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Honga Ciganesa post: 12286479 said:
Thanks for the explanation @Jmare007, sounds like it's a struggle for you breh :wow: All the times I've wondered what Lucha/Puro commentary was like I never once thought they could suck for some reason.

Dave gave Ishii/Honma five stars.







Love Ishii :to:
Speaking of Nagata's situation, since Tenryu has retired, its the perfect time for a Nagata to fill those veteran shoes. A pissed off grumpy Nagata vs Okada as the brash over achieving champion could be really fun.

Meltz with the subtle dig at All Japan there too :dead:
 

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I'm watching AXS' hi-lights of the G1 Climax from August 04, 2013.

Tenzan vs. Anderson

I like Tenzan...something about him reminds me of Terry Funk. (And then Karl Anderson wins with the RKO.) Anderson, by contrast, doesn't stand out to me. Dude wrestles like a North American midcarder.

Satoshi Kojima vs. Davey Boy Smith, Jr.

Davey Boy Smith is much more talented than Anderson.. Wrestles an old school 80's style. Definitely feels like a member of the Hart family.

I love his Double Axe handle, knee lifts and boots ,but he's stiff/not very athletic by 21st century wrestling standards.

Kojima possesses an abundance of charisma. Through calls to the crowd and swaggering shoulders, he does a great deal with a limited arsenal.

I want to see more of his skill-set, though.

This match is much more interesting than the first. (And then, as I edit my post, Smith with the win.)
 

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I'm watching AXS' hi-lights of the G1 Climax from August 04, 2013.

Nakamura vs. Kota Ibushi

Oh, lord, Jesus.

Nakamura has become my favorite wrestler on the planet. More on this later.


Ibushi

I love this kid, Ibushi! I think he was on the pay per view that we all watched 6 weeks ago. (He looks familiar.)

He's got this deceptive look like a serial killer. Ibushi stand stone still, then strikes like a cobra.

Love his martial arts background. His kicks are great and he knows how to use his body.

But when the kid decides to show emotion, it's like watching Michael Myers turn into Freddy.

The Springboard dropkick, the backflip Enziguri, the roundhouse kicks...and the combination backflip & shooting star presses.

Springboard Corkscrew Moonsault over the top to the outside...OMG!

Fantastic match.

Match opens with duel kicks...they treating this like a main event match up. First major move is when Nakamura misses a kick, gets his boot caught on the top rope, and Ibushi drops him over the top.

That sequence is better than the first two matches combined!

And Got Damn...Ibushi's Lariat!

Nakamura

Nakamura has so much damn style...he's effortless in the ring.

Unlike the wrestlers from the first two matches, he doesn't have to call on the crowd, he summons them.

He uses snapping maneuvers that he holds in place for an extra second, and then he can do some real loose work in the corner that almost looks sloppy...except for the fact that it's cool.

Then he can sell like G...watch the Springboard Frankensteiner. I thought Ibushi had won the match with that maneuver

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Concluding note

I love the fact that the G1 Climax allows a wrestler from the DDT promotion face a NJPW wrestler. Hell, a few days ago I thought all of these guys came from "IWGP".

I also love how, in the middle of the match, these wrestlers are allowed to use rest holds. But these submissions aren't lazy, so they don't feel like rest holds.

My education is slow, but I'm learning.

Also, AXS TV needs to upgrade the way that they present these shows. They could hire a grad student to lay out a schedule at the beginning of these shows, or even to improve their presentation during commercial breaks.

I can't see myself ever going back to Monday Night. It would have to be a special event to bring me in.

By contrast, I'm watching outdated matches from 2 years ago and they leave me hopeful for the future of professional wrestling.

I had grown so jaded, ya'll. It's wearisome to watch a bad sport, or a sports team that has no hope of getting better.

I'm sold on NJPW.

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Afterthought.

Ibushi is laying on the floor in his post-match interview. He's exhausted and apologizing for losing. "My opponent had more to spare."

WTF?

Talking about selling. He looks like a wet dog. And he ends the interview with, "of course I want revenge."

And you're telling me that this happens every year? How can AXS not show the entire tournament?

This is boosheet!

I need to see this, man! This is absurd.
 

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Afterthought.

Ibushi is laying on the floor in his post-match interview. He's exhausted and apologizing for losing. "My opponent had more to spare."

WTF?

Talking about selling. He looks like a wet dog. And he ends the interview with, "of course I want revenge."

And you're telling me that this happens every year? How can AXS not show the entire tournament?

This is boosheet!

I need to see this, man! This is absurd.

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