Japanese Researcher Wants America To “Apologize” For Bombing Them

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

After reading about Bataan, the Rape of Nanking, and Unit 731, they had that shyt coming.

Plus.....if the U.S. was willing to apologize for dropping Fat Man and Little Boy on Hiroshima/Nagasaki, it would be difficult to get around not apologizing for slavery.

They not tryna set precedent.

 

[Da_Eggman]

Still waiting on that Pearl Harbor apology

 

[Professor Emeritus]

If you know anything about history the Japs kind of derserved it. Mass rape, mass genocide, Frankenstein like surgical experiments on captives, death marches, lying to their own populace to commit suicide. Yeah they earned that.

The women and children civilians who were targeted in Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't kill or rape any of those people.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I have said is hundreds of thousands of Asian civilians and allied PoWs were dying in Japanese death camps, rape camps and behind Japanese lines. Are you going to dispute this?

We bombed and killed allied POWs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, moron. Their survival played no part in our considerations for killing civilians in a war that could have ended months earlier if we had been willing to negotiate the same terms of surrender that we agreed to in the end anyway. But we had told the Japanese that we'd refuse to negotiate anything other than total surrender with zero clarification, so that we needlessly dragged the war out additional months until after the bombs could be tested and dropped.

Not to mention that we murdered millions of Asian civilians AFTER World War II was over. Are you aware that we went to war with the people of the Philippines AFTER we supposedly "freed" them from Japan? That we killed more Vietnamese people than the Japanese ever did? Or that we dropped more total poundage of bombs on Cambodia, a country that had never threatened us in any way, than we ever dropped on Japan? We didn't give two fukks about those "Asian civilians" when making our decisions about warfare in Asia.

You keep making up complete, unsupported lies concerning what American policy makers were actually concerned with when they made their decisions.

 

[Rekkapryde]

They literally started it

She gon hit the

 

[Rekkapryde]

Breh I don’t care if they got sanctioned and we supplied china, they attacked first. .

Pearl Harbor didn't happen

 

[Rekkapryde]

In 2015 Japan made a formal apology to the few surviving South Korean women used for Japanese Brothels during WWII. They were called "Comfort Women". Many were forced into prostitution for the Occupying Japanese forces. Japan set aside $8 million in reparations, but South Koreans don't think Japan did enough.

8 million?

In 2015?

How many women got that bread?

 

[Rekkapryde]

Plus.....if the U.S. was willing to apologize for dropping Fat Man and Little Boy on Hiroshima/Nagasaki, it would be difficult to get around not apologizing for slavery.

They not tryna set precedent.

you see it

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Toussaint keeps moving the goalposts because he has no fukking clue how the decision was made or what justified it. First he claimed that Truman had nothing to do with the decision to drop the bomb and it was actually the Joint Chiefs of Staff who made the decision:

You have no idea what you are talking about. It was Truman’s joint chiefs of staff and the scientists surrounding the Manhattan project that agreed to use the bomb.If you had bothered to read an article from an actual historian, Truman’s decision making came down to only where the bomb would he deployed.

The only "decision" that Truman was personally consulted on in this time was about the choice of the first target.

Truman's only other input was approving the final announcement about the bombing of Hiroshima that had been prepared well before it (by Arthur Page, a VP of AT&T and friend of Stimson).

You think the US joint chiefs of staff and intelligence leaders, scientists were in favor of not using the bombs and Truman did it anyway? You dribbling buffoon.

Then he switched from "Joint Chiefs of Staff and the scientists" to "civilian government and American people", but still claimed it wasn't Truman.

Now I see the reason for your conspiracy theory surrounding Truman. It HAS to be Truman because you can’t justify in tote mind that the majority of the civilian government was in FAVOR of the deployment of the bombs as well as the American people.

But then, when I quote the Joint Chiefs of Staff themselves opposing the use of the bomb and point out that the American people and civilian government didn't even know about the bomb ahead of time, he switches to, "Well, Truman knows everything and has amazing intelligence and those Joint Chiefs are all idiots":

You can quote all the “leaders” you want. George Patton wanted to invade the USSR. MacArthur wanted to nuke China. They are grunts whose job it is to obey their commander and chief who has far more intelligence available to him.

He pulled an entire fukking 180 from "the president had nothing to do with it, it was all military leaders" to "Nah, it wasn't the president, it was the opinion of the general public and civilian leaders" to "The military leaders are idiots, this was all in the hands of the president who knows much better than them and is the only one with the most secret intelligence."

This is the kind of lying he's been doing the entire time, both times we've had the discussion. He keeps making factual errors and false statements, then when caught he moves the goalpost and argues from the exact opposite position....but no matter which position he's using at any moment, it always justifies dropping the bomb.

Spoiler

And don't use the Interim Committee to move the goalposts, the first time we had this discussion you didn't even know who the Interim Committee was, and you still don't even seem to understand that they had ZERO "secret intelligence" on the Japanese that military leaders didn't have. They were scientists and corporate fools who didn't even know how to evaluate diplomatic or military intelligence, and they only met a few times and made the decision to drop the bomb MONTHS beforehand, so they weren't even keeping up with the current military situation when the bombs were dropped.

 

[Cakebatter]

8 million?

In 2015?

How many women got that bread?

Reading more into it, it was a shytty deal, with no agreement that the money would go directly to victims. Also the Japanese PM was caught saying there was no documents that Japan forced those women. Japan being Japan.

Why Did the 2015 Japan-Korea ‘Comfort Women’ Agreement Fall Apart?

The agreement was flawed from the beginning, and continued denialism from the Japanese government undermined its spirit.

thediplomat.com

 

[Genos]

The Nanjing massacre alone was worse than the two nukes dropped on Japan, both in terms of casualties and the inhumanity involved.

Thats not why we dropped the bombs. I'm not saying imperial Japan was good, I'm saying dropping a nuke on innocent civilians (these civilians were not living in a democracy or even a pretend one like the US. They were living in a monarchy) as a show of force is not good. If anything this justifies pearl harbor as Japan could just say look how they lynch black people in the streets, look what they did in panama, in Cuba, in the DR, Nicaragua, Haiti, and Honduras. Bombing a military base could be seen as a justification for the atrocities the US committed. But we know thats not why they attacked

Not to be rude bruh but putting a modern day moral code on this war is kinda reckless. The expectations of warfare were different, and the UN wasn't around to dictate rules of engagement, weapons ban, war crimes etc. And there really isn't a difference between a nuke and a bomb if a bombing campaign can kill the same amount of people and have the same amount of destruction.

Everyone expected civilians to be bombed/killed as part of warfare whether intentionally or unintentionally. If Japan and Germany couldve reached us they would have bombed us too. Imperial Japan and the SS did not give af.

You should maybe look into warfare post the UN if you think these things aren't just used to justify attacks on countries with less power. It hasn't stopped the US from committing war crimes, or using cluster bombs, it hasn't stopped Russia from committing war crimes, it hasn't stopped Israel from committing war crimes.

There is a difference between a nuke and other bombs, a nuke has radiation. Which not only effects people the people not killed by the bomb, it has negative effects on the land, water, sea, and animals around it for years after.

 

[5n0man]

8 million?

In 2015?

How many women got that bread?

Japan took back that apology 3 weeks later and denied the allegations.

Why Did the 2015 Japan-Korea ‘Comfort Women’ Agreement Fall Apart?

The agreement was flawed from the beginning, and continued denialism from the Japanese government undermined its spirit.

thediplomat.com

 

[AAKing23]

Japan was on demon time back in the day clearly but that was the government/military not the civilians, dropping two atomic bombs on them was always overkill. The US also baited Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor by cutting off their trade


This country always goes too far and will not apologize just like they did in Vietnam and the use of Agent Orange which detrimentally affected those people and future generations all for a dumb ass war we had no business being involved in

Japan and the US both need to apologize for their pasts

 

[RickyDiBiase]

@Toussaint keeps moving the goalposts because he has no fukking clue how the decision was made or what justified it. First he claimed that Truman had nothing to do with the decision to drop the bomb and it was actually the Joint Chiefs of Staff who made the decision:










Then he switched from "Joint Chiefs of Staff and the scientists" to "civilian government and American people", but still claimed it wasn't Truman.






But then, when I quote the Joint Chiefs of Staff themselves opposing the use of the bomb and point out that the American people and civilian government didn't even know about the bomb ahead of time, he switches to, "Well, Truman knows everything and has amazing intelligence and those Joint Chiefs are all idiots":




He pulled an entire fukking 180 from "the president had nothing to do with it, it was all military leaders" to "Nah, it wasn't the president, it was the opinion of the general public and civilian leaders" to "The military leaders are idiots, this was all in the hands of the president who knows much better than them and is the only one with the most secret intelligence."

This is the kind of lying he's been doing the entire time, both times we've had the discussion. He keeps making factual errors and false statements, then when caught he moves the goalpost and argues from the exact opposite position....but no matter which position he's using at any moment, it always justifies dropping the bomb.

Spoiler

And don't use the Interim Committee to move the goalposts, the first time we had this discussion you didn't even know who the Interim Committee was, and you still don't even seem to understand that they had ZERO "secret intelligence" on the Japanese that military leaders didn't have. They were scientists and corporate fools who didn't even know how to evaluate diplomatic or military intelligence, and they only met a few times and made the decision to drop the bomb MONTHS beforehand, so they weren't even keeping up with the current military situation when the bombs were dropped.

We were justified in bombing japan

Sorry

They shouldn’t have been c00ns

 

[5n0man]

Thats not why we dropped the bombs. I'm not saying imperial Japan was good, I'm saying dropping a nuke on innocent civilians (these civilians were not living in a democracy or even a pretend one like the US. They were living in a monarchy) as a show of force is not good. If anything this justifies pearl harbor as Japan could just say look how they lynch black people in the streets, look what they did in panama, in Cuba, in the DR, Nicaragua, Haiti, and Honduras. Bombing a military base could be seen as a justification for the atrocities the US committed. But we know thats not why they attacked

The real reason we dropped the bombs was because we wanted to end the war quickly before Russia invaded Japan. Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't chosen to kill civilians believe it or not, they were chosen because they were key military manufacturing and shipping points of the Japanese Army.


"Hiroshima was a city of considerable military importance. It contained the 2nd Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. To quote a Japanese report, "Probably more than a thousand times since the beginning of the war did the Hiroshima citizens see off with cries of 'Banzai' the troops leaving from the harbor."


"The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great war-time importance because of its many and varied industries, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials. The narrow long strip attacked was of particular importance because of its industries."

Avalon Project - The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

The results of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasakias reported by the Manhattan Engineer District

avalon.law.yale.edu