Jalen Rose's Top 10 NBA players of ALL TIME yall notice who missing
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Bill Russell is not a better basketball player than Kobe
They play 2 vastly different positions (in different eras) so it's difficult to compare. But Russell was a better player than Kobe.
Russell excelled at his position more than Kobe did at his. Russell was the GAWD at Center and was the main reason for the Celtics dynasty in the 60s (the era of HOFs like Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Wes Unseld, Elgin Baylor, David Bing, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, and Jerry Lucas among others). He has career averages of 15 PPG, 23 RPG, and 4 APG! And that was BEFORE they counted blocks and steals as categories! A conservative estimate among many analysts and basketball fanatics is that Russell averaged 5 BPG. People also don't know that Russell was a fantastic ball handler, given his size and position. Moreover (if you can imagine it), he stepped up his play even more come the playoffs and finals. Not only does Russell have 11 rings, 5 MVPs and the Finals MVP trophy named after him, he set the standard for the Center position and that standard has yet to be surpassed (and probably will never be). Russell is the reason why the Celtics are the best NBA franchise in history. He's the best Center to ever play. Point. Blank. Period.
Kobe, on the other hand, isn't even the best SG of all time. You could argue that he's not even top 2. Yes, Kobe has 5 rings and 1 MVP but he'll likely always be behind Jordan. He also completely bit Jordan's style. Nonetheless, Kobe is a phenomenal SG and a HOF in his own right. But Russell defined the standard for the Center position (and for champions in general) while Kobe is trying to copy the standard for the SG position.
Give me Russell over Kobe any day.
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Kill Dat Noize
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debating between kobe and bill russell will not get you anywhere because:
a) nobody here saw bill russell play, we merely go off legend.
b) kobe's nba does not even remotely resemble russell's nba.
russell didn't even play with a three point line!
at the end of the day they are both arguably the best player of their generation. there's no need to compare them. it can't be done.
a) nobody here saw bill russell play, we merely go off legend.
b) kobe's nba does not even remotely resemble russell's nba.
russell didn't even play with a three point line!
at the end of the day they are both arguably the best player of their generation. there's no need to compare them. it can't be done.
1. There's extensive footage of Bill Russell playing. Russell clearly dominated in his time and was the anchor for the greatest dynasty in NBA history. Plus, Russell's accomplishments speak for themselves.
2. Russell's era of the NBA was a more difficult era in terms of competition and level of physicality. And Russell thrived.
Russell is a lock for top 3. Kobe's in the top 10.
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Hakeem should be higher. Higher than Shaq and duncan
Hakeem should be higher. Higher than Shaq and duncan
Nah.
who_better_than_me
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Match em up prime vs prime and Hakeem would cook them nigguh'sHakeem should be higher. Higher than Shaq and duncan
Kill Dat Noize
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with a resume like that why don't you have him at #1?
You could make a very strong argument for him being the best ever.
I wouldn't place him ahead of Jordan because Jordan's won damn near every accolade and honor.
Kill Dat Noize
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i think you might be right about russell over kobe. i mean yea they came up in different eras but fact is you could at least entertain the argument that russell is the greatest ever. with kobe you really can't.
i'm curious, in your humble opinion how many players do you believe you COULD make the argument for? where in that top 10 do you draw that line?
Match em up prime vs prime and Hakeem would cook them nigguh's
Shaq is the most dominant player ever. In his prime: unstoppable.
Prime Duncan would kill Hakeem with fundamentals.
My top 5: Jordan, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird.
I'd only consider Jordan, Russell and Kareem for the greatest ever. Each of them created the legacies (and dynasties) that their respective franchises enjoyed and benefit from.
Jason Kidd is missing
If you're not trolling, J Kidd isn't even a top 3 PG of all time. Kidd's definitely a HOFer though.
Kill Dat Noize
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personally i would also extend the conversation to magic and bird.
both of those guys entered the league and immediately started winning. i mean they were basically in the finals every year.