Jake The Snake on Queenzflip - HBK & Bret Hart Worst Champs Ever

[NYChase718]

It's sad actually and probably one of the reasons why the business is so lame right now. Back in the day, wrestlers (most of them) looked like legit bad asses that would fukk you up, now have a bunch of vanilla midgets that barely weight 200 lbs. having car crash video game matches with no selling and no psychology, with corny sounding generic names reciting scripted promos that some jackoff writer came up with for them and we wonder why barely anyone watches this shyt anymore.

In the words of 50 cent,
This is the harsh reality

 

[Bigsuk]

so what’s everyone’s view then wen flip brought up the Montreal screw job ... was it an actual screw job or did Brett heart know about it all along ??? ......I always heard ric flair was racist aswell ... n Jake basically said he was without saying it flat out .......

 

[mr heyzel]

This was video gold I can’t wait for the full video to drop

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Funny how bret and hbk were looked at as "little guys" back in the day but are significantly bigger than 90% of the wrestlers people love today

HBK is 6'1''

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

A bad neck injury, a back injury, and a substance abuse problem is why.

He injured his neck in '87 when Honky Tonk Man hit with a non-gimmicked guitar, he was hurt badly but kept working through it which is what supposedly began is substance abuse problems, then in '89 his back was so fukked up he had to have surgery and his substance problems because much worse (and would continue to get worse)

LOL, No one was able to take the mantle from Hogan, not Savage (he came the closest) Warrior, or anyone else during that time. No one drew on Hogan's level until Stone Cold Steve Austin and the fact that Jake was as over as he was without ever winning a title or getting that rocket push really illustrates how talented he was.
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If you're saying Jake wasn't one of the most over characters in the business in the 80's and early 90's then its obvious you weren't watching back then and don't know what you're talking about.

As far as WCW, he left WWF one of the hottest heels in the business but got fukked over on his contract by Bill Watts and pretty much lost his passion for business while his drug problems completely took over his life.

Here's the story about what happened with his WCW contract:
According to the documentary Jake Roberts: Pick Your Poison, after Jake left WWF in 1992, he and WCW had agreed to a mega-deal worth up to $3 million a year. That's not bad at all, except he never saw that money. Shortly after agreeing to the contract, WCW hired a man named Bill Watts to run the place. Watts voided Jake's contract, forcing him to sign for a mere $200,000 per year. While that's certainly enough to feed most families, it's a slap in the face when you were just promised 15 times that amount.

During a panel at Tidewater Comicon, Jake revealed why Watts did it. Apparently, Watts had a deal with WCW where he made a percentage of the money he saved the company, so he was cutting down contracts left and right, including Jake's. For that, and presumably for other reasons, Roberts ended his panel talk by calling Watts a "sorry piece of sh*t" without "a good bone in his body." It's little wonder Jake left WCW before ringing in 1993.


Yes, Jake's career became an absolute embarrassment in the 90's and sadly that's how a lot of wrestling fans (apparently you are one of them) will remember him and its a shame because he was really was one of the best talents in the business.

This is stan shyt. All I heard is a bunch of excuses. Jake was never over enough or equipped to be that guy post-Hogan. No wrestling promotion saw him that way in the 90’s. He peaked in the 80’s. His alcohol problems were done to himself. He had health problems but he was still healthy enough to wrestle in WCW and indies and he went nowhere and drew nothing. A veteran ex-WWF guy like Rick Rude was able to go to WCW and flourish around the same time til he fukked his back up. Nobody was checking for JTS in the 90’s. And Bill Watts fukked over everybody, this isn’t a unique case.

Bret and HBK were great in-ring talents who were cultivated into top guys. Of course they didn’t draw like Hogan or or Austin, but you can’t in your right mind think Jake the Snake’s flabby balding ass would’ve been better as the top dog in the 90’s.

 

[Ruby'sRevolver]

This is stan shyt. All I heard is a bunch of excuses. Jake was never over enough or equipped to be that guy post-Hogan. No wrestling promotion saw him that way in the 90’s. He peaked in the 80’s. His alcohol problems were done to himself. He had health problems but he was still healthy enough to wrestle in WCW and indies and he went nowhere.

Bret and HBK were great in-ring talents who were cultivated into top guys. Of course they didn’t draw like Hogan or or Austin, but you can’t in your right mind think Jake the Snake’s flabby ass balding ass would’ve been better as the top dog in the 90’s.

I never said he was the guy to take over post-Hogan, I was providing some context to his career. He was a great talent and one of the most over characters in the 80's and early 90's, but injuries and most notably his substance problems are what held him back.

I already explained how his WCW was soured before it even began by Bill Watts but remember he came in to WCW in August '92 and was immediately working a main event feud with Sting so obviously they thought pretty highly of him.

 

[WhoShotCha]

so what’s everyone’s view then wen flip brought up the Montreal screw job ... was it an actual screw job or did Brett heart know about it all along ??? ......I always heard ric flair was racist aswell ... n Jake basically said he was without saying it flat out .......

Timestamp on the Flair talk?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I never said he was the guy to take over post-Hogan, I was providing some context to his career. He was a great talent and one of the most over characters in the 80's and early 90's, but injuries and most notably his substance problems are what held him back.

I agree he was over in the 80’s and early 90’s, but he wasn’t good enough to do what HBK and Hitman did in the 90’s, so therefore he’s a bitter old hater who’s mad that 2 of his peers worked hard and surpassed him while he was drunk passed on a toilet somewhere.

 

[Ruby'sRevolver]

I agree he was over in the 80’s and early 90’s, but he wasn’t good enough to do what HBK and Hitman did in the 90’s, so therefore he’s a bitter old hater who’s mad that 2 of his peers worked hard and surpassed him while he was drunk passed on a toilet somewhere.

I wouldn't say he wasn't good enough, he certainly had the talent, he was a GOAT level promo, GOAT level intelligence and psychology when it came the business and he was a solid worker and a great seller who's work was very convincing and realistic. If he didn't have his drug and alcohol problems which led to his reliability issues there's no telling what he could've done. I also think him leaving WWF in '92 was a mistake.

I don't think its fair to judge him on his mid to late 90's runs he was past his prime physically ( he was 41 in '96), hooked on drugs (or in 'recovery'), and a shell of what he once was and again, its sad that this is how most will remember him instead of the great star that he was in his prime.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I wouldn't say he wasn't good enough, he certainly had the talent, he was a GOAT level promo, GOAT level intelligence and psychology when it came the business and he was a solid worker and a great seller who work was very convincing and realistic. If he didn't have his drug and alcohol problems which led to his reliability issues there's no telling what he could've done. I also think him leaving WWF in '92 was a mistake.

I don't think its fair to judge him on his mid to late 90's runs he was past his prime physically ( he was 41 in '96), hooked on drugs (or in 'recovery'), and a shell of what he once was and again, its sad that this is how most will remember him instead of the great star that he was in his prime.

I hear you. Being a hater doesn’t garner one sympathy though.

 

[R=G]

This is stan shyt. All I heard is a bunch of excuses. Jake was never over enough or equipped to be that guy post-Hogan. No wrestling promotion saw him that way in the 90’s. He peaked in the 80’s. His alcohol problems were done to himself. He had health problems but he was still healthy enough to wrestle in WCW and indies and he went nowhere and drew nothing. A veteran ex-WWF guy like Rick Rude was able to go to WCW and flourish around the same time til he fukked his back up. Nobody was checking for JTS in the 90’s. And Bill Watts fukked over everybody, this isn’t a unique case.

Bret and HBK were great in-ring talents who were cultivated into top guys. Of course they didn’t draw like Hogan or or Austin, but you can’t in your right mind think Jake the Snake’s flabby balding ass would’ve been better as the top dog in the 90’s.

They were pushed as top guys but as the numbers proved, they never were top guys. They bombed big time. It's not "of course they didnt draw like two huge draws like Hogan and Austin"..they werent on the Freebirds level..Road Warriors level...Flair in the south level...everyone wanted to see Hogan vs Flair in 92, not Bret vs Hogan. Everyone wondered if Sting vs Warrior was possible, not Bret vs Sting. Shawn Michael's is a utter loser..they didnt even give him the damn belt till 96 and he failed like no one else and was left in the dust by Sid Vicious.

 

[R=G]

I wouldn't say he wasn't good enough, he certainly had the talent, he was a GOAT level promo, GOAT level intelligence and psychology when it came the business and he was a solid worker and a great seller who work was very convincing and realistic. If he didn't have his drug and alcohol problems which led to his reliability issues there's no telling what he could've done. I also think him leaving WWF in '92 was a mistake.

I don't think its fair to judge him on his mid to late 90's runs he was past his prime physically ( he was 41 in '96), hooked on drugs (or in 'recovery'), and a shell of what he once was and again, its sad that this is how most will remember him instead of the great star that he was in his prime.

More than all of that, he was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more over as face in his prime compared to Shawn Michaels.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

They were pushed as top guys but as the numbers proved, they never were top guys. They bombed big time. It's not "of course they didnt draw like two huge draws like Hogan and Austin"..they werent on the Freebirds level..Road Warriors level...Flair in the south level...everyone wanted to see Hogan vs Flair in 92, not Bret vs Hogan. Everyone wondered if Sting vs Warrior was possible, not Bret vs Sting. Shawn Michael's is a utter loser..they didnt even give him the damn belt till 96 and he failed like no one else and was left in the dust by Sid Vicious.

That’s more due to the state of the industry at the time. Wrestling in general was stale through most of Bret’s title reigns. Wrestling was in a low period in the early 90’s til the Monday night wars got it lit again. They still drew more than Diesel lol.

Both showed they could be compelling as top carders in the attitude era—as their beef and the screwjob is legendary—until Bret jumped to WCW and they completely fukked up his career. They didn’t draw like Austin at the time but they both put him over well. Hart and Austin had one of the GOAT beefs and a legendary match with an epic double heel turn. HBK dropped the belt to Austin for his 1st title run.

 

[R=G]

That’s more due to the state of the industry at the time. Wrestling in general was stale through most of Bret’s title reigns. Wrestling was in a low period in the early 90’s til the Monday night wars got it lit again. They still drew more than Diesel lol.

Both showed they could be compelling as top carders in the attitude era—as their beef and the screwjob is legendary—until Bret jumped to WCW and they completely fukked up his career. They didn’t draw like Austin at the time but they both put him over well. Hart and Austin had one of the GOAT beefs and a legendary match with an epic double heel turn. HBK dropped the belt to Austin for his 1st title run.

Don't matter of the state of the industry at the time..if youre great, you're great. Michaels and Bret couldnt captivate. There's always excuses for them...well Austin dealt with the same thing yet people watched him OVER the nwo and Goldberg.

 

[Ripp]

HBK is 6'1''

I know. Just pointing out that back in the day they considered 6'1 to be a little guy in wrestling. Most wrestlers now aren't even 6ft so he's a "big man" compared to these new dudes