Jake The Snake on Queenzflip - HBK & Bret Hart Worst Champs Ever
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However you want to view it..it wouldn't mean shyt in our lifetimes without Jake the Snake.
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Fukk your corny debates
Nah..that's just an assumption.
Ruby'sRevolver
Man in the Black Hat
A lot of the old timers felt that away about Bret and Shawn being World Champions.
King Kong Bundy said something similar in a shoot interview, here it is:
On Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels: “The advent on the downfall of this business was champions like Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. Horrible world champions. Did not look like grown men in my opinion. I read Bret’s book. Wow. You cannot pick up a page without being amazed at how this man’s ego was out of control. Bret wrote in his book I called him ‘little man’. I always called him the ‘little hitter’ because he looked like a little kid in the ring. I come back six years later and he’s the world champion… Total piece of sh**, Bret Hart. I used to be friends with Bret. I stayed at his house one time back in the day.”
It was a big shock to a lot of the big stars from the 80's to see these 'little tag team wrestlers' as the World Champion especially in the WWF which under Vince had always been a big man territory with a 'larger than life' type of champion. Bret and Shawn are all time great workers but lets be fair they didn't draw like the stars in the 80's or like Austin and Rock did after them.
Jake was so over as a heel that the fans basically turned him babyface and was one of the top faces of the 80's (more over than Bret and Shawn were as champions). In '86, he had a main event feud with Hogan scrapped because fans were chanting for the DDT which was the most over finish in the business at that time.
Jake speaks about it here:
“They tried to put me with Hogan but you fans screwed me with that when you guys started chanting, ‘DDT DDT!’ after I dropped him.
Vince looked at me and he went, ‘Man, that ain’t going to fly.’
And I asked him, ‘What do you mean that’s not going to fly?’
‘Because they’re cheering for you!’
[I told Vince] ‘Their just happy,’ you know? Whatever.
We tried it in two towns, we sold out those cities and turned people away and I said [to Vince], ‘There! You can’t beat that.’
Vince: ‘It’s not gonna happen.’
‘Why?’
Vince: ‘Because they’re chanting for you!’
‘Does it f*****g matter who they’re cheering for? The seats are sold out!’
Vince: ‘That’s going to screw with our marketing.’
So that was the end of that.
My job became getting the next bad guy ready for Hogan. If Hogan was in Los Angeles, I would be in San Fransisco getting beat by what would be in the next car Hogan versus this guy who just beat me.
King Kong Bundy said something similar in a shoot interview, here it is:
On Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels: “The advent on the downfall of this business was champions like Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. Horrible world champions. Did not look like grown men in my opinion. I read Bret’s book. Wow. You cannot pick up a page without being amazed at how this man’s ego was out of control. Bret wrote in his book I called him ‘little man’. I always called him the ‘little hitter’ because he looked like a little kid in the ring. I come back six years later and he’s the world champion… Total piece of sh**, Bret Hart. I used to be friends with Bret. I stayed at his house one time back in the day.”
It was a big shock to a lot of the big stars from the 80's to see these 'little tag team wrestlers' as the World Champion especially in the WWF which under Vince had always been a big man territory with a 'larger than life' type of champion. Bret and Shawn are all time great workers but lets be fair they didn't draw like the stars in the 80's or like Austin and Rock did after them.
Jake was so over as a heel that the fans basically turned him babyface and was one of the top faces of the 80's (more over than Bret and Shawn were as champions). In '86, he had a main event feud with Hogan scrapped because fans were chanting for the DDT which was the most over finish in the business at that time.
Jake speaks about it here:
“They tried to put me with Hogan but you fans screwed me with that when you guys started chanting, ‘DDT DDT!’ after I dropped him.
Vince looked at me and he went, ‘Man, that ain’t going to fly.’
And I asked him, ‘What do you mean that’s not going to fly?’
‘Because they’re cheering for you!’
[I told Vince] ‘Their just happy,’ you know? Whatever.
We tried it in two towns, we sold out those cities and turned people away and I said [to Vince], ‘There! You can’t beat that.’
Vince: ‘It’s not gonna happen.’
‘Why?’
Vince: ‘Because they’re chanting for you!’
‘Does it f*****g matter who they’re cheering for? The seats are sold out!’
Vince: ‘That’s going to screw with our marketing.’
So that was the end of that.
My job became getting the next bad guy ready for Hogan. If Hogan was in Los Angeles, I would be in San Fransisco getting beat by what would be in the next car Hogan versus this guy who just beat me.
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Fukk your corny debates
So why didn’t JTS take the mantle from Hogan as the face of the WWF in the 90’s instead of becoming a mid-carder on WCW Saturday night, working indie crowds in high school gyms, then going back to the WWF to become a famous Steve Austin slogan and get humiliated in an angle with Jerry Lawler making fun of his alcoholism while these 2 little tag team wrestlers were on top then if he was such a draw?
Talking about he didn’t want the belt he did it “for the love.”
Bitter old heads gon bitter old head.
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Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
And Bret wasn’t any smaller than Flair or Savage.
Homer Simpson
Superstar
The takeaway from this video by these closeted homos was the criticism of hbKKK and bret hart that plenty of people have already said and not the fact that Vince was colluding with Jake's therapist so that he could exploit him further. 
Ruby'sRevolver
Man in the Black Hat
So why didn’t JTS take the mantle from Hogan as the face of the WWF in the 90’s instead of becoming a mid-carder on WCW Saturday night, working indie crowds in high school gyms, then going back to the WWF to become a famous Steve Austin slogan and get humiliated in an angle with Jerry Lawler making fun of his alcoholism while these 2 little tag team wrestlers were on top then if he was such a draw?
Talking about he didn’t want the belt he did it “for the love.”
Bitter old heads gon bitter old head.
A bad neck injury, a back injury, and a substance abuse problem is why.
He injured his neck in '87 when Honky Tonk Man hit with a non-gimmicked guitar, he was hurt badly but kept working through it which is what supposedly began is substance abuse problems, then in '89 his back was so fukked up he had to have surgery and his substance problems because much worse (and would continue to get worse)
LOL, No one was able to take the mantle from Hogan, not Savage (he came the closest) Warrior, or anyone else during that time. No one drew on Hogan's level until Stone Cold Steve Austin and the fact that Jake was as over as he was without ever winning a title or getting that rocket push really illustrates how talented he was.
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If you're saying Jake wasn't one of the most over characters in the business in the 80's and early 90's then its obvious you weren't watching back then and don't know what you're talking about.
As far as WCW, he left WWF one of the hottest heels in the business but got fukked over on his contract by Bill Watts and pretty much lost his passion for business while his drug problems completely took over his life.
Here's the story about what happened with his WCW contract:
According to the documentary Jake Roberts: Pick Your Poison, after Jake left WWF in 1992, he and WCW had agreed to a mega-deal worth up to $3 million a year. That's not bad at all, except he never saw that money. Shortly after agreeing to the contract, WCW hired a man named Bill Watts to run the place. Watts voided Jake's contract, forcing him to sign for a mere $200,000 per year. While that's certainly enough to feed most families, it's a slap in the face when you were just promised 15 times that amount.
During a panel at Tidewater Comicon, Jake revealed why Watts did it. Apparently, Watts had a deal with WCW where he made a percentage of the money he saved the company, so he was cutting down contracts left and right, including Jake's. For that, and presumably for other reasons, Roberts ended his panel talk by calling Watts a "sorry piece of sh*t" without "a good bone in his body." It's little wonder Jake left WCW before ringing in 1993.
Yes, Jake's career became an absolute embarrassment in the 90's and sadly that's how a lot of wrestling fans (apparently you are one of them) will remember him and its a shame because he was really was one of the best talents in the business.
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supertrekker
Superstar
These fukkin marks still believe Jake was more popular than Hogan cause of DDT chants at one house.
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supertrekker
Superstar
Jake says Bret and Shawn were both smashing Sunny and hated each other for itJake is wild man lmao
Everyone knew that. Even the Bulldog fukking Sunny in the shower rumor is true.
Ruby'sRevolver
Man in the Black Hat
It's sad actually and probably one of the reasons why the business is so lame right now. Back in the day, wrestlers (most of them) looked like legit bad asses that would fukk you up, now have a bunch of vanilla midgets that barely weight 200 lbs. having car crash video game matches with no selling and no psychology, with corny sounding generic names reciting scripted promos that some jackoff writer came up with for them and we wonder why barely anyone watches this shyt anymore.
Tryna Makit
High plains drifter
Mannn go give your life to the lord and gtfoh please, if he was just gonna be another old hating wrestler talking that back in the day shyt...he could've at least stayed a drunk piece of shyt, that way it may have at least been entertaining....
