I've changed my mind on universal healthcare in the US. I'm against it.

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CrimsonTider said:
The income limits for a family of 4 to get ACA subsidies are 104k. Most people qualify for ACA health insurance cost to be shared with the government

ACA needs to be expanded but someone working for Amazon or the government will have better healthcare than someone working for a startup and that’s my point
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bro, i'm not arguing about quality of plans right now...right now we have people who do not have any coverage due to employment status, we need a free, not subsidized, not subject to income, etc etc public option. america should not be the richest country in the world with no fukking free health coverage or paid family leave...these things shouldn't be reserved for those lucky to be employed by the right company
 
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dora_da_destroyer said:
bro, i'm not arguing about quality of plans right now...right now we have people who do not have any coverage due to employment status, we need a free, not subsidized, not subject to income, etc etc public option. america should not be the richest country in the world with no fukking free health coverage or paid family leave...these things shouldn't be reserved for those lucky to be employed by the right company
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How many people is that?

prior to ACA,15% of people didn’t have insurance

There’s currently 12 million people on Obamacare

Wouldn’t it make more sense to expand Obamacare to close gaps instead of typing about a universal or single payer system that will never happen
 
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CrimsonTider said:
That’s fair
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When politicians say people are happy with their insurance, it’s always been cap. If our jobs changed our insurance contract tomorrow, people would stay with that insurance and say they like it.

If insurance is removed out of the employment equation and we had single payer or a cheaper open market, most people would go with single payer while high earners and wealthy people would go with the premium option.

ACA don’t help in any of these situations which is why it’s always been a band aid.
 
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Dr. Acula said:
Not because I don't believe in the concept. But because our current government is way too dysfunctional that you can't trust them to give you something good and effective. No matter what party we have in there because it's too corrupt. With ACA even though it wasn't all bad, it ended up being a husk of its initial dream after our politicians defiled it like some chick in an alley before letting her get away. Sorry for the graphic analogy but I feel it's apt to describe what our politicians do due to either being money hungry, bribed, and/or just having crazy views (especially on the right).

Even when democrats hold all the power there are still corrupted individuals in the party itself who will make sure it's absolute shyt once they are done with it. Lieberman was the person back then and Sinema and Manchin are that person now.

So, until our political system is massively reworked to be less corrupt and less dysfunctional I have no hope we will get anything close to European or Canadian Healthcare. People might bring up other social selafety nets like Medicare/medicaid and social security but these aren't recent inventions and our current politicians are working hard at making those dysfunctional/ruining them too..

Why give up more of your money to these people who will just piss it away and don't give you anything close to what you want.

You can't even get the house leader in the democratic party to agree that maybe allowing them to essentially do insider trading may be bad and need some checks. Why trust them to know how to handle a government Healthcare system?
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How is the private healthcare system working for the majority of Americans?

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I too don’t trust the government to provide a quality plan, especially when it comes to women’s reproductive health - I shudder to think about the lack of coverage and support a plan would have for women in the hands of republicans. That said, that’s why I am for a public option, being covered shouldn’t be tied to your employment status, but I don’t want to wholly get rid of private insurance plans for universal care only.
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The point is to put it out of reach of the whims of conservatives.
Which is what would have happened had single-payer healthcare been implemented in the 40s as intended.

This also begs the question of your perspective on healthcare now in the private sector for women - it's absolutely horrific from top to bottom.
 
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CrimsonTider said:
It want happen because most Americans are good with their current health insurance

There’s no guarantee that single payer will be better or different than the shared employer plans most people have now

The government should be working towards fixing more gaps in ACA and paid leave

@dora_da_destroyer its not that it’s tied to employment, it’s that the quality of your health insurance is tied to employment
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:dwillhuh:
One of the major issues is that it's tied to your employment -
 
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Geek Nasty said:
libertarian gum flapping

Every other industrialized nation has pulled it off with better results. Even Cuba's health care system rivals ours. Our healthcare system should be 100% funded and run by the goverment. Privatizing anything related to healthcare leads to profit-motivated corner cutting on your care.
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i think you have to have like 30 grand in the bank to become a canadian

if you want the same healthcare as them, are we allowed to apply similar restrictions :ehh:
 
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EndDomination said:
How is the private healthcare system working for the majority of Americans?


The point is to put it out of reach of the whims of conservatives.
Which is what would have happened had single-payer healthcare been implemented in the 40s as intended.

This also begs the question of your perspective on healthcare now in the private sector for women - it's absolutely horrific from top to bottom.
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Um, I’ve not had any issues with my healthcare related to women’s health and fertility benefits. That said, like all healthcare right now, there is a wide variance in coverage and OOP costs, but coverage in the private sector is not at the whim of conservative religious views other than religious employers who purpose seek plans that don’t provide coverage for certain things.
 
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