I've changed my mind on universal healthcare in the US. I'm against it.

[Dr. Acula]

You never supported universal healthcare

how are you going to tell me what I supported or support breh? I know what's in my own brain. I'm allowed however to believe the worst about our CURRENT government and also have some skepticism on their willingness and ability to manage that effectively. I'm also not going to act like I shouldn't have some financial concerns given they take my money to do it. It's not so much them taxing me I have issue with but I want the government to use it efficiently. There is a difference. It's like you dudes are dying to paint me as some "Taxation is theft!" libertarian (no offense @DEAD7). I'm not. I have no issue with taxes but again, I don't see a partisan angle in just stating that I wish I could have faith they would do a good job in using it.

Someone mentioned wars but at least you can argue that sadly that is one area where you can get a consensus and very little deconstructing of the legislative process from creation to completion because funding wars is bipartisan and very few members of congress are actively working to tear it down. You may not like the funding of wars, but it's being used fully as intended. We kill people better than anyone else. Even then, we have incredible waste (ie the f35) and poor spending. Imagine how poorly our government will manage a universal healthcare system when now they have to concede and compromise things to appease various people who may have objections based not always based on practical issues but because of petty political point scoring and "lobbying" (aka bribes).

 

[mastermind]

how are you going to tell me what I supported or support breh? I know what's in my own brain. I'm allowed however to believe the worst about our CURRENT government and also have some skepticism on their willingness and ability to manage that effectively. I'm also not going to act like I shouldn't have some financial concerns given they take my money to do it. It's not so much them taxing me I have issue with but I want the government to use it efficiently. There is a difference. It's like you dudes are dying to paint me as some "Taxation is theft!" libertarian (no offense @DEAD7). I'm not. I have no issue with taxes but again, I don't see a partisan angle in just stating that I wish I could have faith they would do a good job in using it.

Someone mentioned wars but at least you can argue that sadly that is one area where you can get a consensus and very little deconstructing of the legislative process from creation to completion because funding wars is bipartisan and very few members of congress are actively working to tear it down. You may not like the funding of wars, but it's being used fully as intended. We kill people better than anyone else. Even then, we have incredible waste (ie the f35) and poor spending. Imagine how poorly our government will manage a universal healthcare system when now they have to concede and compromise things to appease various people who may have objections based not always based on practical issues but because of petty political point scoring and "lobbying" (aka bribes).

If you are complaining about taxes, then you aren't supportive.

 

[Dr. Acula]

If you are complaining about taxes, then you aren't supportive.

again, not complaining about taxes, as in paying them in itself. I'm complaining about how tax funds are managed by a dysfunctional and corrupt government.

If you took your car to the mechanic with an issue, paid a lot of money for them to fix it, and they give you your car back with really shytty work done that reverts back to its previous shyt state once you drive off the lot, aren't you going to at least think " Damn I paid all this money for him to fix this shyt and it isn't even fixed"?

It's not so much you resent paying for service you expected but more that you paid for service way under what you expected. You don't miss the money from your bank account as more that this dude took your money and didn't do the quality work you expected.

That is the only argument I'm making.

 

[Unemployed GM]

Purchasing healthcare through the market is horrible breh…trust me.

 

[DEAD7]

Purchasing healthcare through the market is horrible breh…trust me.

By government design
#staywoke

 

[DEAD7]

I think it's interesting that no one ever asks how we can pay for unlimited war, missiles, bombs, tanks, jet planes, etc.

For some reason we just accept that we'll find a way to use our tax dollars for that. But when it comes to health care, everyone asks how we can afford it.

The things you listed are discretionary and can vary or outright end... I dont think the healthcare system you envision would work this way.
I believe single payer and its expenses would exist in perpetuity, no?

Not questioning its merits, just pointing out how, a fighter or jet or finite conflict comparison might be a little silly.

 

[Yapdatfool]

That is the only argument I'm making.

Why even have government with your logic? People aint shyt, why should they tell you what to do?

 

[the cac mamba]

let me know when the "universal healthcare for all" crowd supports shutting our border the fukk down. just like canada, sweden, japan, the UK, and all those universal healthcare countries do

until then, they're an unserious people

 

[Geek Nasty]

libertarian gum flapping

Every other industrialized nation has pulled it off with better results. Even Cuba's health care system rivals ours. Our healthcare system should be 100% funded and run by the goverment. Privatizing anything related to healthcare leads to profit-motivated corner cutting on your care.

 

[Outlaw]

let me know when the "universal healthcare for all" crowd supports shutting our border the fukk down. just like canada, sweden, japan, the UK, and all those universal healthcare countries do

until then, they're an unserious people

You’re voting for Trump in 2024 aren’t you

 

[CrimsonTider]

I don’t see it happening for a variety of reasons mainly because big pharma and insurance companies wouldnt benefit from a single payer system

It want happen because most Americans are good with their current health insurance

There’s no guarantee that single payer will be better or different than the shared employer plans most people have now

The government should be working towards fixing more gaps in ACA and paid leave

@dora_da_destroyer its not that it’s tied to employment, it’s that the quality of your health insurance is tied to employment

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

@dora_da_destroyer its not that it’s tied to employment, it’s that the quality of your health insurance is tied to employment

No, it’s a problem that it’s tied to employment. Hourly wage employees been getting played for years being kept at part time so employers don’t have to provide insurance, then you got employers where people paying 4-500/month for insurance just for them…a lot of people in those situations can’t afford to cover their family. There needs to be a government option that’s open to anyone who wants to opt in.

 

[CrimsonTider]

No, it’s a problem that it’s tied to employment. Hourly wage employees been getting played for years being kept at part time so employers don’t have to provide insurance, then you got employers where people paying 4-500/month for insurance just for them…a lot of people in those situations can’t afford to cover their family. There needs to be a government option that’s open to anyone who wants to opt in.

We have a government option now but what you’re explaining is dependent on your employer

The employee and employer are sharing the cost of insurance. The big companies can and will pay for better insurance for their employees because it’s a competitive Advantage, small businesses can’t do this

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

We have a government option now but what you’re explaining is dependent on your employer

The employee and employer are sharing the cost of insurance. The big companies can and will pay for better insurance for their employees because it’s a competitive Advantage, small businesses can’t do this

The government option is not free unless you’re under certain income limits. People not being offered insurance at work or being offered unaffordable options, never mind being unemployed, shouldn’t be a thing.

 

[CrimsonTider]

The government option is not free unless you’re under certain income limits. People not being offered insurance at work or being offered unaffordable options, never mind being unemployed, shouldn’t be a thing.

The income limits for a family of 4 to get ACA subsidies are 104k. Most people qualify for ACA health insurance cost to be shared with the government

ACA needs to be expanded but someone working for Amazon or the government will have better healthcare than someone working for a startup and that’s my point