I've Been Studying The Bible, Qu'ran, Hadith And The Teachings Of Elijah Muhammad For 20 Years...AMA

[ba'al]

But in Judeo-Christian belief all the prophets was from the seed of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Muhammad was a Ishmaelite he can't even be qualified as a prophet in the biblical sense because he wasn't from the chosen seed line.

I already gave u this answer but I'll be a little more detailed...Allah began his teaching with Abraham...and continued his teachings through Moses Jesus and many other prophets...they all have stories and lessons that are a part of God's word...they are not separate just an extension of the other

But I like the minister he teaches that blacks in the Americas are god chosen people. That's the only empowering way to teach it. Saying we equal to the other people is weak shyt.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

But I like the minister he teaches that blacks in the Americas are god chosen people. That's the only empowering way to teach it. Saying we equal to the other people is weak shyt.

Problem is that's completely contrary to what Jesus taught. All human beings ARE equal. Some may be less/more intelligent. Some may be more/less empathetic. Some may be more/less <insert adjective here>, but the overriding principle espoused in the text is that NO human being is 'better' than any other, nor 'worse' than any other. That's what often gets missed in the text. Even though the Hebrews were 'G-d's Chosen People', they got wrecked just like the Romans, Hittites, Nephilim, Egyptians, etc. Your history/ethnicity/civilization doesn't allow you to escape your ultimate fate as a human being whether you believe in a 'g-d' or not.

The minister is doing more harm than good by teaching that we are somehow 'Chosen'. It gives us a false sense of superiority to other human beings. That somehow, we deserve to be treated 'better' than other human beings and, because of that sense, we can treat other human beings with complete and utter disdain because they are NOT us. That's exactly how 'White' people think. What he should teach is that because we are equal, we should treat our fellows just as we expect to be treated. Mutual respect for our shared destiny is what makes us human in the first place.​

 

[invalid]

That's exactly how 'White' people think. What he should teach is that because we are equal, we should treat our fellows just as we expect to be treated. Mutual respect for our shared destiny is what makes us human in the first place.

Or better yet, we are to have love for all humans because each one of us bears the image of God. Part of loving God with all our heart, and all our mind, and all our spirit, means recognizing the imprint that he left in all creation, his image, which could be found in our neighbor, in the homeless, in the rape victim, in the illegal immigrant, in Muslims, in black people or in yellow people. God can be found among all people. Which is why Christ said that this is the greatest commandment of which all others delineate.

 

[generic-username]

Why couldn't you find better use of your time?

 

[ba'al]

Problem is that's completely contrary to what Jesus taught. All human beings ARE equal.​

No they're not maybe in a mundane and morality sense of the value of human life. And in the Old Testament god gave Israel more than all the other nations. If YHWH in the bible wanted all the nations to be one why divide them in the first place? And when the Christ came he wasn't sent to none but the Jews. It's not until ya'll get to paul letters ya'll try to bring other people into the fold mentioning the olive branches that are grafted in.

 

[ba'al]

God in the bible doesn't just love he also hates he does good and evil. The only way that love everyone under the body of christ garbage would make sense from my understanding if ya'll believe in replacement theology. And than use Paul Letters to say that God in the NT loves everyone equally. But how would that coincide with the prophecies in the OT about Israel having an everlasting salvation and being above all nations.

Or better yet, we are to have love for all humans because each one of us bears the image of God. Part of loving God with all our heart, and all our mind, and all our spirit, means recognizing the imprint that he left in all creation, his image, which could be found in our neighbor, in the homeless, in the rape victim, in the illegal immigrant, in Muslims, in black people or in yellow people. God can be found among all people. Which is why Christ said that this is the greatest commandment of which all others delineate.

 

[ReadOneBookAWeek]

They're both right...The Qu'ran is the extension of the bible

Incorrect. The Qu'ran directly contradicts the New Testament by teaching that Christ was not the messiah sacrificed for our sins but just another man. According to Christ he who doesn't go through Christ cannot reach the Father and is condemned.

Islam was created centuries after Christianity had spread across the world through preaching and it was considered a heretical Christian cult.

Also as another poster mentioned Muhammad was not of the chosen bloodline and never would have been accepted by orthodox Jews/Israelites as a prophet. Every book In the Bible is written by a descendant of Jacob, old and new testament.

 

[ba'al]

Exactly. But I think Muslim brothers would argue that the bible is corrupted. So all the verses in there that don't coincide with their theology they can sweep under the rug. But if it came down to it I rather be NOI member than a Christian. Imagine thinking that the blood of Jesus is more important than your nationality and ethnicity and that your one in the body of Christ with other nationalities and ethnic groups. Me and a Anglo Saxon can't pray to the same god and have the same salavation.

Incorrect. The Qu'ran directly contradicts the New Testament by teaching that Christ was not the messiah sacrificed for our sins but just another man. According to Christ he who doesn't go through Christ cannot reach the Father and is condemned.

Islam was created centuries after Christianity had spread across the world through preaching and it was considered a heretical Christian cult.

Also as another poster mentioned Muhammad was not of the chosen bloodline and never would have been accepted by orthodox Jews/Israelites as a prophet. Every book In the Bible is written by a descendant of Jacob, old and new testament.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

No they're not maybe in a mundane and morality sense of the value of human life.

We are ALL equal in every sense of the word without exception.​

And in the Old Testament god gave Israel more than all the other nations.

False. They were promised more but they didn't follow all the guidelines/rules.​

If YHWH in the bible wanted all the nations to be one why divide them in the first place?

Theological messaging. The author of the text was explaining to people at the time why other Nations followed other 'g-ds'.​

And when the Christ came he wasn't sent to none but the Jews. It's not until ya'll get to paul letters ya'll try to bring other people into the fold mentioning the olive branches that are grafted in.

'Y'all'?

Anyhow, absolutely false and due to not reading the text in-context. ALL Nations derived from Adam and Eve and Isaiah 42:6 plainly states the opposite of what you stated, therefore, Christ came for ALL people. Paul was writing about things that preceded him by about 20 years so he was repeating things that were already believed by Jesus' adherents. He didn't invent that theology since he, himself, was a convert.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Exactly. But I think Muslim brothers would argue that the bible is corrupted.

They have to argue that way since their book doesn't line-up with historical events recorded in the NT. Also, they have an elevated reverence for ALL 'prophets' and, to them, 'G-d' wouldn't allow one of it's 'prophets' to die in such a manner as the fate suffered by Jesus.​

 

[invalid]

love everyone under the body of christ garbage

???

The message wasn’t to love only those who make up the body of Christ. That sounds like spiritual apartheid.

But besides that, what do you take the central message of the NT to be?

Imagine thinking that the blood of Jesus is more important than your nationality and ethnicity and that your one in the body of Christ with other nationalities and ethnic groups.

Why are you debating with Muslims on their belief if you even disregard ideas that are foundational to the NT such as the oneness of God and humanity and by extension humanity with itself through Christ?

 

[ba'al]

???

Why are you debating with Muslims on their belief if you even

What muslims were I debating? I was just conversing I don't really care which doctrine you follow honestly. But it's not hard to tell YHWH doesn't love everyone equally in biblical text. That's the whole idea behind being of the world and not in it to be separate from humanity.

even disregard ideas that are foundational to the NT such as the oneness of God and humanity and by extension humanity with itself through Christ?

Most the Christian theology ya'll spout isn't even in the text though?Christ was sent to the Jews in the text even tells you that Matthew 15:24. And when the Canaanite woman came up to Christ he called her a dog.

 

[ba'al]

We are ALL equal in every sense of the word without exception.​

Pull a verse that says this in the bible. And please don't pull John 3:16 or Galatians 3:28 out your ass fam and try to tie that into replacement theology .

The same YHWH that ordered his followers to kill others nations women, babies and cattle you're telling me loves everyone now?

Malachi 3:6 tell you he never changes
2 Esdras 6:54-59
54 And after these, Adam also, whom thou madest lord of all thy creatures: of him come we all, and the people also whom thou hast chosen.
55 All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou madest the world for our sakes
56 As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel.
57 And now, O Lord, behold, these heathen, which have ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over us, and to devour us.
58 But we thy people, whom thou hast called thy firstborn, thy only begotten, and thy fervent lover, are given into their hands.
59 If the world now be made for our sakes, why do we not possess an inheritance with the world? how long shall this endure?

Isaiah 40:15
Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

 

[ba'al]

And being a light for gentiles doesn't mean your their equal damn near the opposite And if you go back to Isaiah 14 it literally says that the Jacob will take and poses the other nations to be handmaidens and servants in Israel. How did you fit that to what you were saying?

Anyhow, absolutely false and due to not reading the text in-context. ALL Nations derived from Adam and Eve and Isaiah 42:6 plainly states the opposite of what you stated, therefore, Christ came for ALL people. Paul was writing about things that preceded him by about 20 years so he was repeating things that were already believed by Jesus' adherents. He didn't invent that theology since he, himself, was a convert.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Pull a verse that says this in the bible.

One verse? How about the entire book of Genesis.​

The same YHWH that ordered his followers to kill others nations women, babies and cattle you're telling me loves everyone now?

I am telling you no such thing.​

Malachi 3:6 tell you he never changes

I am not arguing otherwise.​