shes for completely open borders ? that sounds like a straw man, abolishing ice is not being pro open borders. i honestly feel like half of yall in this thread are basing your opinions of her off strawmans from fox/cnn/msnbc
I've been sleeping on AOC. She has the establishment shook.
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Russian Bot v.2.1
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she's a member of the DSA. that's one of their platforms
nah thats not evidence at all. shes also a justice democrat and that is def not their platform. can i see it in her platform that shes for open borders, no you cant show me that. i dont even think dsa is for completely open borders but i do remember they had a sign saying "abolish borders" but i think it was just bad marketing and taken out of context.
Oceanicpuppy
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I think the hipster left and the right are just obessed with these girl for no reason.
The fact that people are completely ignoring all the new progressive Congressman and women in other states says a lot about the media making hero’s out of certain people because they are marketable.
Both sides blowing smoke up her ass for no reason other than she’s young and Latina.
The fact that people are completely ignoring all the new progressive Congressman and women in other states says a lot about the media making hero’s out of certain people because they are marketable.
Both sides blowing smoke up her ass for no reason other than she’s young and Latina.
KingTut
Green diamonds like a dill pickle
This right here. And it really exposes the Democrats for wanting to replace her with another useless wall street whore less than 6 months into her damn term. fukk the Democrats, they deserve everything they have coming to them the next few years. This would be the perfect time to shift party ideas further to the left but nope, they wanna be some weak ass centrists in 2019
HellRell804
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This thread is sad. Black people been let down so many times by government intervention, so called "welfare", and other big government policies, and now they got us out here championing socialism.
Smh.
Taxing the rich to hell sounds good until you realize that anyone making over 10 million a year can just pick up and move anywhere in the country. And when they leave who do you think is on the hook for all those promises?
The ideas of socialism (Democratic or otherwise) hinges on the notion that people dont mind helping others. That works excellently in small, racially homogeneous countries. In the USA, nah. If you said we want free everything for women and children, yea that's cool. But people are going to have a real problem paying 50 to 60% of their income to support grown able bodied men. Especially men of other races. I know this is the coli and yall think all white men are rich, evil, masterminds, but your blood will boil when you find out you're busting your ass and paying high ass taxes while cletus just hit free rehab for the 7th time for his meth addiction and hasn't worked in 10 years.
But I'll leave ya'll to the circle jerk tho.
Elim Garak
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We all ready have a mixed system that includes socialism now.
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exactly
nikkas think we actually live in some sort of libertarian system
and the US taxed the rich "to hell" for many years and they didn't move anywhere. They stayed in the US to that idiotic talking point holds no weight.
HellRell804
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Yea and its ineffective because we let the same people who profit the most lobby for, and in some cases actually write the bills and present them to Congress.
American healthcare is a failure not because it's not free. Its because we've let big pharma and the insurance companies run wild like hulkamania. There aren't any set prices they charge what they want. They extend patents indefinitely. They overcharge for everything.
That doesn't change with this proposed system. They still stay filthy rich and your taxes go up. Only now they have a guaranteed blank check for their services. They're going to be worse than government contractors during a war.
And that's just the money side. I'm incredibly uneasy about the government controlling healthcare with their history of experimentation on us, sterilizing us, and medical mistreatment of us.
As far as education, if college is free for everyone that just devalues college. Turns it into a necessity. Some people don't like school like that. I think the education system needs to be overhauled from k through 12. At 18 years old people should have basic vocational skills. If they want to move to more advanced disciplines they can go to college.
Elim Garak
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He must also disagree with Dr. King because anyone who knows how he was riding in the last few years of his life knows what I am taking about lol. I really think some people want an underclass when this country has the resources where everyone can eat imo.
Elim Garak
Veteran
So Social Security, Medicare, Fire Departments etc are ineffective? Also why hasn't this happened in other countries that are very cheap or free to go to college?
HellRell804
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Taxes on the Rich Were Not Much Higher in the 1950s - Tax Foundation
"There is a common misconception that high-income Americans are not paying much in taxes compared to what they used to. Proponents of this view often point to the 1950s, when the top federal income tax rate was 91 percent for most of the decade. However, despite these high marginal rates, the top 1 percent of taxpayers in the 1950s only paid about 42 percent of their income in taxes. As a result, the tax burden on high-income households today is only slightly lower than what these households faced in the 1950s."
This website is starting to make me feel like when I used to go to church and ask questions about the bible.
Black people had a nice run becoming less religious and more critically thinking but I guess politics has filled that void.
I Really Mean It
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You keep regurgitating strawmen propped up by right wing apologists for capitalism while
for wealth that only exists because it was stolen from the bodies of the African men and women who built this nation. Why should ANY black man or woman oppose the confiscation of white wealth that is owed to them? 
HellRell804
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Social security probably won't exist when we are old enough to collect. Even if it was, the money isn't adjusted for inflation, so every generation gets less than they put in.
My business deals with medicaid and Medicare. The amount of fraud going on is eye popping. Every week I'm hearing about different providers fudging the books, or charging for services that aren't needed. Refusing to pay employees, making them work salaried positions to avoid paying overtime. And the worst part is, most of those people will never be caught. There is almost no oversight. When I see people get busted its because a disgruntled employee called the Medicare fraud hotline.
What are these countries you speak of with free college? And strengthening primary school will definitely make college cheaper and more effective because it will be for the people who really want to go, not dumber down so everyone can go.