It's time to admit Game of Thrones has surpassed Breaking Bad, The Wire and The Sopranos

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No. Fantasy genres are more complex than the mafia genre. You literally have to build EVERYTHING from scratch but more importantly try to make SENSE of everything while explaining how certain things in the world work. The mafia genres take place in a non-fictional world[our world] and the mafia already existed in our world. Mafia genres can build upon that and more, and more importantly they don't have to explain/make sense of everything in the plot.

George Martin had to define the ENTIRE world of Game of Throne including the geography and little shyt with how money works in that world. The creator of the Sopranos did not have to do all of that because the story took place in the tri-states. We already KNOW about the tri-states. Fantasy is MUCH more harder. And this is coming from a person who assumed it was easy[because your 'imagination' runs wild].
get the f*ck outta here you dungeons and dragons nerd

writing something in fantasy is easy... oh you dont know where to take this plot point... let me just make it up because hey it's nerd fantasy

grounding a show in reality is 10 times harder because you are bound to the earth, society, people, and the type of people you are portraying

f*cking idiots i tells ya
 
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It's clearly the best show all time. Yall niccas need to stop being ruled by nostalgia. shyt is embarrassing. Breaking bad? Lol GTFOH. Wire hmm I can understand to a degree it's resonates a lot more with people's real life experiences. The Soprano's is a fkin joke breh and I've seen it all the way through 2 separate times. It's barely top 10 and it's more a comedy than anything else.Gay ass Six Feet Under> Soprano's
 

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There is no "building things from scratch". There is a (let's say, for example) "Dungeons & Dragons" equivalent of literally everything that exists in "GOT". He just borrowed pieces and put his own spin on it.

Which is cool but to me personally that's not any more impressive than putting your own spin on the mafia genre. Or, to use "The Wire" as an example....just like people can say "well, GRR Martin had to create everything in the novels"....ok cool, but he could also drop in an undead army or a dragon or a shadow monster to move the plot along when the writers of "The Wire" had to make mundane shyt like a political campaign or dock workers interesting without relying on any of that.

And for the record I'm a huge "GOT" fan....obviously, look at my avy....but "GOT" didn't exactly reinvent the wheel when it comes to fantasy. It didn't even change the tire, honestly. So that angle is pretty much :yeshrug: to me when discussing it's rank.

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Is it necessary to come with a show or ideas that revolutionize a genre? Yeah, Game of Thrones fantasy elements have been around forever but it's about execution. It's so fukking well executed it's unbelievable. GRR created a universe of diverse and REALLY interesting characters, like even side characters are interesting, old dudes who used to be great warriors and shyt idk. Then you factor in the cinematography, music, acting, etc. shyt is incredible. The consistent quality is impressive as fukk. Coming up with the base elements of fantasy/medieval sword tales is impressive yeah (not saying GRR did, just whoever did in general). But thinking up and entire backstory and history of a world with an insane number of diverse characters and relationships is just :wow: tolkein did the same.
 

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The first 4 seasons of GoT I feel are pretty incredible for the most part. After that? Well....

I read a comment somewhere that perfectly describes how I feel about the show.: I still enjoy it, but I don't think about it anymore.

The early seasons I hungrily searched for all the GoT/ASOIAF lore I could find. Thinking about how the houses came to be, what the Others/White Walkers were, the religions, creation of the wall, character motivations and what the future holds for them, etc. Around season 5 I started caring less and with this latest season finished I'm just watching for the spectacle of it. I don't care what motivates the characters, I don't care what happens after the war with the White Walkers, I don't care what Jon's true heritage means. I'm in it for the big budget battles and explosions. For me the show has turned into popcorn entertainment, not much to think about while the characters do cool things and say funny one liners while the bad guys fukk shyt up...and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I just feel differently about the show now.

So GoT surpassing all other shows? When it comes to SFX and action absolutely. Everything else? Not anymore for me.
 

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GOT is a notch above, because it juggles so many fascinating characters who are mostly grey. But still makes you emotionally attached to them and their stories. In less than great hands, Tywin Lannister could've been a mustache twirling villain. But he was a deep, principled man, who put family name above everything (I know he fukked over Tyrion, but he wasn't gonna kill him. He was going to the wall) Those scenes between Arya and Tywin were entertaining, riveting, and insightful. Tywin was a brutal b*stard, but there was something touching about him at times. Rewatch his intro with Jamie. Watch season 1 episode 10, when him and Tyrion were alone in the tent, and he told Tyrion he would be hand of the king in his place. He insulted Tyrion slightly, but also gave him the most touching compliment he's ever heard from his father, when he simply said "You're my son".

Also, look at the little small scenes Ned had with Arya in Kings Landing ( one of my favorite scenes in the series).



Here you had a man, way over his head, surrounded by vipers, but still tried to make his little girl feel like she belonged. Even if she didn't fit the norm as a "lady". He got her fukking sword lessons as a surprise. We only saw one real scene with Ned and Jon, and that scene has become legendary. Not because of the things Ned said, but all the things he didn't say to Jon, but wanted to. Every member of the Stark family was devastated by Ned's death and it was soul crushing. The crazy thing, the family was only fully together one episode in the whole series. lol Ned Stark's death had more impact than most deaths on any TV series, over characters that had lasted 5 seasons on their shows. And Ned was only alive 9 episodes. It's because you saw how much he loved his people and family. No shade about Breaking Bad, but I didn't care about Walt's death. I think I welcomed it, a little. And I rode with him for 5 seasons. And I didn't really care about the bad stuff he was doing, didn't bother me really. His death just didn't have an impact on me.

When it's all said an done, GOT will probably go down as the greatest, because, it made us care about so many flawed characters. And resonated on an emotional level.
 
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Is it safe to assume that people who Love Game of Thrones were fans of Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter movies?

I feel like Game of Thrones is like the adult version of those type of fantasy movies...

And the fact that it's a Sci-Fi fantasy show, I can't put it over the Wire, Sopranos, and Breaking Bad
hated both... LOTR was just too fukking much... 8-9 hours of film and 7-8 of that was chit chat.. all that wild shyt going on for 1 of the group to die... everyone else good money... nah


potter i never watched cause it was too kiddy



comparing the two... JRR definitely said he took a lot from LOTR and loved tolkien
 

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The first 4 seasons of GoT I feel are pretty incredible for the most part. After that? Well....

I read a comment somewhere that perfectly describes how I feel about the show.: I still enjoy it, but I don't think about it anymore.

The early seasons I hungrily searched for all the GoT/ASOIAF lore I could find. Thinking about how the houses came to be, what the Others/White Walkers were, the religions, creation of the wall, character motivations and what the future holds for them, etc. Around season 5 I started caring less and with this latest season finished I'm just watching for the spectacle of it. I don't care what motivates the characters, I don't care what happens after the war with the White Walkers, I don't care what Jon's true heritage means. I'm in it for the big budget battles and explosions. For me the show has turned into popcorn entertainment, not much to think about while the characters do cool things and say funny one liners while the bad guys fukk shyt up...and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I just feel differently about the show now.

So GoT surpassing all other shows? When it comes to SFX and action absolutely. Everything else? Not anymore for me.
I liked the show so much it got me into the books and I read them all. But after reading the books they have dumbed down the character beats and context of the world to the point it's just meh. Yeah I'm happy for it that it is so popular but at the same time I'm a bit disappointed where they have taken it. It's spectacle now, the dialogue and character study is actually kinda weak now.
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
The Sopranos has aged like garbage and some of the storylines were embarrassing at the time and even worse when you go back and look at them now -



This shyt right here is so bad it's insulting :russ: The "I need a buzz, so shoot me" shyt was like porn to white writers after 50 came out.

All the paranormal shyt in that show that's supposed to be grounded in reality? :mjlol: The Wire & Breaking Bad have a good claim for being GOAT shows, the Sopranos? Nah not even remotely close. I liked Deadwood more than the Sopranos.
 

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If we're talking goats, big love and carnivale > BB

:patrice: After got ends I'm gonna wait a year and rewatch to see how it does against sopranos and the wire.

Wire Season 3 was meh and season 5 was so damn rushed, they coulda did another half a season to cover all the shyt they stuffed into the last episodes.

Ice dragons tho brehs :damn:
 

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Have to admit the last few seasons have been amazing on GoT.some of 3, then most of 4,5,6 and 7. I still have the sopranos as my number 1 and the wire as my number 2. Game of thrones could end up in the middle of those 2 somwhere though.
 

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Is it necessary to come with a show or ideas that revolutionize a genre?

No, but at the same time don't say "well, 'Sopranos" had a blueprint" when "GOT" had a blueprint too. It's nothing I can take into consideration when weighing "GOT" against other shows because like I said it borrows heavily from other things. Yes it's done extremely well, no there's nothing new about it. GRR Martin would probably tell you that point blank.

Fred.
 

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No, but at the same time don't say "well, 'Sopranos" had a blueprint" when "GOT" had a blueprint too. It's nothing I can take into consideration when weighing "GOT" against other shows because like I said it borrows heavily from other things. Yes it's done extremely well, no there's nothing new about it. GRR Martin would probably tell you that point blank.

Fred.
nah there was no blueprint for the sopranos... that type of show never existed in the history of tv shows when it came out... sopranos was / is the blueprint for every show that comes after

now got.. there were multiple books written that the show was adopted from... that is the definition of having a blueprint
 

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Game Of Thrones is a weird show with me.
when its on i very much enjoy it and look forward to the next episode yet when its not on i don't really even think about it or care to talk about it.

as much as i've enjoyed it..it has had no real impact on me.


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