It's time to admit Game of Thrones has surpassed Breaking Bad, The Wire and The Sopranos

[Field Marshall Bradley]

No. Fantasy genres are more complex than the mafia genre. You literally have to build EVERYTHING from scratch but more importantly try to make SENSE of everything while explaining how certain things in the world work. The mafia genres take place in a non-fictional world[our world] and the mafia already existed in our world. Mafia genres can build upon that and more, and more importantly they don't have to explain/make sense of everything in the plot.

George Martin had to define the ENTIRE world of Game of Throne including the geography and little shyt with how money works in that world. The creator of the Sopranos did not have to do all of that because the story took place in the tri-states. We already KNOW about the tri-states. Fantasy is MUCH more harder. And this is coming from a person who assumed it was easy[because your 'imagination' runs wild].

More =/= better.... it's all how it comes across on screen..... the production value of GOT is insane, and that's its main draw to me.... and the killing off of main characters became moot after season 3 since it seems that 20 plus integral characters were introduced........ so in the words of BIG.... "somebody's gotta die"

I don't think people understand how hard it is to make gripping non fiction like The Wire, BB, Sopranos, Mad Men, and soon to be.. Westworld, and The Deuce(Hopefully)

But at the end of the day it's all opinion... but to me, Stories told about real world Human Beings>> than fictional Story Book characters......

 

[Bawon Samedi]

More =/= better.... it's all how it comes across on screen..... the production value of GOT is insane, and that's its main draw to me.... and the killing off of main characters became moot after season 3 since it seems that 20 plus integral characters were introduced........ so in the words of BIG.... "somebody's gotta die"

I never said more=better. But the MORE main characters is harder due to the fact that you have to i focus on all of them while developing them. Ask any creative writer. And the bolded is silly because again characters who were killed off were important characters that no one saw being killed off like the Tyrell family.

I don't think people understand how hard it is to make gripping non fiction like The Wire, BB, Sopranos, Mad Men, and soon to be.. Westworld, and The Deuce(Hopefully)

You're missing my point. But first off lol... Westworld is a Science Fiction unlike the others you mentioned. But getting back to my point no one ever said shows like the Sopranos were not hard or complex to make. The fact is those shows already have a "blue print." Shows like Game of Thrones and Westworld the writer/creator has to make everything from scratch.

But at the end of the day it's all opinion... but to me, Stories told about real world Human Beings>> than fictional Story Book characters......

Agreed it is opinion. But opinion we watch/read entertainment to escape the real world and so stories based on fictional stories are imo much more interesting.

 

[hex]

I never said more=better. But the MORE main characters you have the harder it is to focus on all of them. Ask any creative writer. And the bolded is silly because again characters who were killed off were important characters that no one saw being killed off like the Tyrell family.

You're missing my point. But first off lol... Westworld is a Science Fiction unlike the others you mentioned. But getting back to my point no one ever said shows like the Sopranos were not hard or complex to make. The fact is those shows already have a "blue print." Shows like Game of Thrones and Westworld the writer/creator has to make everything from scratch.

Agreed it is opinion. But opinion we watch/read entertainment to escape the real world and so stories based on fictional stories are imo much more interesting.

Eh....I gotta disagree with basically all of this. The world and characters are great but I've never thought "wow, how did he think of this, so creative!" because if you're familiar with fantasy novels, RPGs, etc. "GOT" treads very familiar ground. It just does it so well most people give it a pass. Or they're unfamiliar with the genre so they don't know better.

But yeah...."GOT" had a blueprint same as anything else.

Fred.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Eh....I gotta disagree with basically all of this. The world and characters are great but I've never thought "wow, how did he think of this, so creative!" because if you're familiar with fantasy novels, RPGs, etc. "GOT" treads very familiar ground. It just does it so well most people give it a pass. Or they're unfamiliar with the genre so they don't know better.

But yeah...."GOT" had a blueprint same as anything else.

Fred.

I know about the fantasy genre and because they take place in a fictional world you have build everything from scratch. Yeah sure there may be some similarities or influence but at the end of the day you're going to have to explain YOUR world in details to the viewer/reader.

Edit-Its not even about being blown away.

 

[Family Lives Matter]

Not even top 10

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

You're missing my point. But first off lol... Westworld is a Science Fiction unlike the others you mentioned. But getting back to my point no one ever said shows like the Sopranos were not hard or complex to make. The fact is those shows already have a "blue print." Shows like Game of Thrones and Westworld the writer/creator has to make everything from scratch.

Right now it is.... but WestWorld is a show that is absolutely about the human condition first and foremost.... and the bots are used to push the narrative..... WestWorld is not traditional sci fy, but hard science fiction..... it doesn't deal with fire breathing dragons and walking dead soldiers, but deals with potential future tech and how it complicates or devolves societal norms/interactions...... kind of in the vein of Black Mirror... I see it as its own genre really....

I never said more=better. But the MORE main characters is harder due to the fact that you have to i focus on all of them while developing them. Ask any creative writer. And the bolded is silly because again characters who were killed off were important characters that no one saw being killed off like the Tyrell family.

The characters who were killed were important, but not show stopping..... Cersei, Snow, and Dany wasn't going nowhere until the last hurrah..... and I picked that up midway through season 4

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Right now it is.... but WestWorld is a show that is absolutely about the human condition first and foremost.... and the bots are used to push the narrative..... WestWorld is not traditional sci fy, but hard science fiction..... it doesn't deal with fire breathing dragons and walking dead soldiers, but deals with potential future tech and how it complicates or devolves societal norms/interactions...... kind of in the vein of Black Mirror... I see it as its own genre really....

Its a Science Fiction breh.

Again you guys confuse Science Fiction with Fantasy especially with the bolded. I see this time and time again. While they are almost the same[i.e explaining stuff] they are still not the same genre. Star Wars=/=definition of Sci Fi.

The characters who were killed were important, but not show stopping..... Cersei, Snow, and Dany wasn't going nowhere until the last hurrah..... and I picked that up midway through season 4

We did not know that about Cersei. From the get go we knew Dany was a very important character hell she for the most part wasn't even in Westboros where most of the storyline was and so that is a bad example. Jon Snow I admit.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Stayed away from this thread but now? Nah it's not better than those. It's good. Sometimes great. But the one thing those shows knew how to do that game of thrones only does sometimes is tell a complete story within an episode while not losing sight of its overarching plot. So many episodes of game of thrones are just setup for the next episode or the next two episodes without any current resolution, whether it's big or small.

It's a show built on moments and scenes and bits of great storytelling rather than being defined purely by great storytelling like the sopranos or the wire

 

[hex]

I know about the fantasy genre and because they take place in a fictional world you have build everything from scratch. Yeah sure there may be some similarities or influence but at the end of the day you're going to have to explain YOUR world in details to the viewer/reader.

Edit-Its not even about being blown away.

There is no "building things from scratch". There is a (let's say, for example) "Dungeons & Dragons" equivalent of literally everything that exists in "GOT". He just borrowed pieces and put his own spin on it.

Which is cool but to me personally that's not any more impressive than putting your own spin on the mafia genre. Or, to use "The Wire" as an example....just like people can say "well, GRR Martin had to create everything in the novels"....ok cool, but he could also drop in an undead army or a dragon or a shadow monster to move the plot along when the writers of "The Wire" had to make mundane shyt like a political campaign or dock workers interesting without relying on any of that.

And for the record I'm a huge "GOT" fan....obviously, look at my avy....but "GOT" didn't exactly reinvent the wheel when it comes to fantasy. It didn't even change the tire, honestly. So that angle is pretty much to me when discussing it's rank.

Fred.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

There is no "building things from scratch". There is a (let's say, for example) "Dungeons & Dragons" equivalent of literally everything that exists in "GOT". He just borrowed pieces and put his own spin on it.

Which is cool but to me personally that's not any more impressive than putting your own spin on the mafia genre. Or, to use "The Wire" as an example....just like people can say "well, GRR Martin had to create everything in the novels"....ok cool, but he could also drop in an undead army or a dragon or a shadow monster to move the plot along when the writers of "The Wire" had to make mundane shyt like a political campaign or dock workers interesting without relying on any of that.

And for the record I'm a huge "GOT" fan....obviously, look at my avy....but "GOT" didn't exactly reinvent the wheel when it comes to fantasy. It didn't even change the tire, honestly. So that angle is pretty much to me when discussing it's rank.

Fred.

This debate is boring agree to disagree. We'll see with the last season if it surpasses these other shows. It definitely already surpassed Breaking Bad.

 

[Robbie3000]

Right now it is.... but WestWorld is a show that is absolutely about the human condition first and foremost.... and the bots are used to push the narrative..... WestWorld is not traditional sci fy, but hard science fiction..... it doesn't deal with fire breathing dragons and walking dead soldiers, but deals with potential future tech and how it complicates or devolves societal norms/interactions...... kind of in the vein of Black Mirror... I see it as its own genre really....

Fantasy can explore the human condition just like real world based dramas.

West World is sci-fi whether you admit it or not.

The characters who were killed were important, but not show stopping..... Cersei, Snow, and Dany wasn't going nowhere until the last hurrah..... and I picked that up midway through season 4

This is ridiculous. Ned, Robb, Tywin, Olenna were very important characters. Any of the characters you named could and might die and the show will go on.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

This is ridiculous. Ned,

He was only in like 3 episodes...... everyone thought he was important because he was portrayed as a main character...... show got even better when Ned got clapped....

 

[Robbie3000]

He was only in like 3 episodes...... everyone thought he was important because he was portrayed as a main character...... show got even better when Ned got clapped....

That's my point. The show goes on regardless of characters.

 

[obarth]

What is this retarded logic that a show has to be realistic in order to be considered GOAT tier? I've seen dudes make this sorry ass argument multiple times in here.

The funniest part of that post is that dumbass named shows that millenials grew up on to try to throw shade at Thrones

 

[Disgustya Stallone]

Is it safe to assume that people who Love Game of Thrones were fans of Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter movies?

I feel like Game of Thrones is like the adult version of those type of fantasy movies...

And the fact that it's a Sci-Fi fantasy show, I can't put it over the Wire, Sopranos, and Breaking Bad

also it's 100% safe to assume the nerds on here putting got over the goat soparnos had this childhood fo sho