It's okay to talk about Black History, as long as we don't say we're the real Jews?

[emoney]

Most of the black people in the west are west african descendants, so why the obsession with egypt and middle east? it has nothing to do with us. why not talk about Ashantis, Mali, Ghana and other great west african kingdoms?

They might not be as famous or glamorous like Egypt but its your history and what your ancestors accomplished. stop clinging unto other people's history and culture which has nothing to do with you.

you're not a fukking jew or israelite.

exactly!

a lot of these Black-Americans love Egypt because they like their phenotype, skin complexion and the material culture.

Many Black Americans are confused

Egypt and Israel has nothing to do with them

 

[emoney]

The Israelites were a mixed people. Not just in regards to ethnic makeup, but literally a mixed bag of people from all the nations. Shemites (including the Edomites), Egyptians, Cushytes, Persians, Greeks, Romans, etc.

Check out my post above and see for yourself.

exactly!

even in the scriptures, it describes specifically the amount of mixing going on.

Jews, Hebrews, Israelites, Semites whatever were always a mixed group of people

they looked more like Drake and DJ Khaled, then Rick Ross and Ace Hood

but u know a lot of AAs themsleves look like Drake and Khaelid so i can see why they would id with historical peoples that were of that hue

lionofjudah is probably a light skinned guy who can't stand the fact that his ancestors looked like the typical west african

 

[Czar]

Furthermore....

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel 47:22-23

It shall be that you will divide it by lot as an inheritance for yourselves, and for the strangers who dwell among you and who bear children among you. They shall be to you as native-born among the children of Israel; they shall have an inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. And it shall be that in whatever tribe the stranger dwells, there you shall give him his inheritance,” says the Lord God.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 19:34

"But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God."

 

[LionofJudah]

exactly!

even in the scriptures, it describes specifically the amount of mixing going on.

Jews, Hebrews, Israelites, Semites whatever were always a mixed group of people

they looked more like Drake and DJ Khaled, then Rick Ross and Ace Hood

but u know a lot of AAs themsleves look like Drake and Khaelid so i can see why they would id with historical peoples that were of that hue

lionofjudah is probably a light skinned guy who can't stand the fact that his ancestors looked like the typical west african

And you're someone who can't understand the difference between Hamitic theory and Biblical ancestry.

 

[Czar]

@LionofJudah

1 Chronicles 11:10-47

David’s Mighty Warriors

10 These were the chiefs of David’s mighty warriors—they, together with all Israel, gave his kingship strong support to extend it over the whole land, as the Lord had promised— 11 this is the list of David’s mighty warriors:

Jashobeam, a Hakmonite, was chief of the officers; he raised his spear against three hundred men, whom he killed in one encounter.

12 Next to him was Eleazar son of Dodai the Ahohite, one of the three mighty warriors. 13 He was with David at Pas Dammim when the Philistines gathered there for battle. At a place where there was a field full of barley, the troops fled from the Philistines. 14 But they took their stand in the middle of the field. They defended it and struck the Philistines down, and the Lord brought about a great victory.

15 Three of the thirty chiefs came down to David to the rock at the cave of Adullam, while a band of Philistines was encamped in the Valley of Rephaim. 16 At that time David was in the stronghold, and the Philistine garrison was at Bethlehem. 17 David longed for water and said, “Oh, that someone would get me a drink of water from the well near the gate of Bethlehem!”18 So the Three broke through the Philistine lines, drew water from the well near the gate of Bethlehem and carried it back to David. But he refused to drink it; instead, he poured it out to the Lord. 19 “God forbid that I should do this!” he said. “Should I drink the blood of these men who went at the risk of their lives?” Because they risked their lives to bring it back, David would not drink it.

Such were the exploits of the three mighty warriors.

20 Abishai the brother of Joab was chief of the Three. He raised his spear against three hundred men, whom he killed, and so he became as famous as the Three. 21 He was doubly honored above the Three and became their commander, even though he was not included among them.

22 Benaiah son of Jehoiada, a valiant fighter from Kabzeel, performed great exploits. He struck down Moab’s two mightiest warriors. He also went down into a pit on a snowy day and killed a lion. 23 And he struck down an Egyptian who was five cubits[d] tall. Although the Egyptian had a spear like a weaver’s rod in his hand, Benaiah went against him with a club. He snatched the spear from the Egyptian’s hand and killed him with his own spear. 24 Such were the exploits of Benaiah son of Jehoiada; he too was as famous as the three mighty warriors. 25 He was held in greater honor than any of the Thirty, but he was not included among the Three. And David put him in charge of his bodyguard.

26 The mighty warriors were:

Asahel the brother of Joab,

Elhanan son of Dodo from Bethlehem,

27 Shammoth the Harorite,

Helez the Pelonite,

28 Ira son of Ikkesh from Tekoa,

Abiezer from Anathoth,

29 Sibbekai the Hushathite,

Ilai the Ahohite,

30 Maharai the Netophathite,

Heled son of Baanah the Netophathite,

31 Ithai son of Ribai from Gibeah in Benjamin,

Benaiah the Pirathonite,

32 Hurai from the ravines of Gaash,

Abiel the Arbathite,

33 Azmaveth the Baharumite,

Eliahba the Shaalbonite,

34 the sons of Hashem the Gizonite,

Jonathan son of Shagee the Hararite,

35 Ahiam son of Sakar the Hararite,

Eliphal son of Ur,

36 Hepher the Mekerathite,

Ahijah the Pelonite,

37 Hezro the Carmelite,

Naarai son of Ezbai,

38 Joel the brother of Nathan,

Mibhar son of Hagri,

39 Zelek the Ammonite,

Naharai the Berothite, the armor-bearer of Joab son of Zeruiah,

40 Ira the Ithrite,

Gareb the Ithrite,

41 Uriah the Hittite,

Zabad son of Ahlai,

42 Adina son of Shiza the Reubenite, who was chief of the Reubenites, and the thirty with him,

43 Hanan son of Maakah,

Joshaphat the Mithnite,

44 Uzzia the Ashterathite,

Shama and Jeiel the sons of Hotham the Aroerite,

45 Jediael son of Shimri,

his brother Joha the Tizite,

46 Eliel the Mahavite,

Jeribai and Joshaviah the sons of Elnaam,

Ithmah the Moabite,

47 Eliel, Obed and Jaasiel the Mezobaite.

 

[Czar]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ruth 1:4

Now Elimelek, Naomi’s husband, died, and she was left with her two sons. They married Moabite women, one named Orpah and the other Ruth.

I wonder who Ruth was the great grandmother of @LionofJudah

 

[emoney]

And you're someone who can't understand the difference between Hamitic theory and Biblical ancestry.

what relevance does this have to do with my post?

Europeans always referred to East Africans as Hamitic, and even believed Hamites were "Caucasoid" and superior to Negroes. They were trying to make a distinction between Negro West African/Central West Africans (Cameroon, Kingom of Kongo:Angola, DRC) and East Africans (Horners, Sudanese, Kenyans,etc.)

So when you BHIs talk like they were diffrentiating AAs from continental Africans...that's false. Get that thru your head

 

[emoney]

that isn't even remotely what i said

i was just wondering why do some blacks yearn to be jewish or "israelites", i don't get the fascination with it

majority of black people are christian and when they become disillusioned from christianity the next logical step is to either go towards judaism or islam

 

[LionofJudah]

what relevance does this have to do with my post?

Europeans always referred to East Africans as Hamitic, and even believed Hamites were "Caucasoid" and superior to Negroes. They were trying to make a distinction between Negro West African/Central West Africans (Cameroon, Kingom of Kongo:Angola, DRC) and East Africans (Horners, Sudanese, Kenyans,etc.)

So when you BHIs talk like they were diffrentiating AAs from continental Africans...that's false. Get that thru your head

It has very much relevance because you obviously aren't getting the point. Before Africa was named Africa, it was called the land of Ham. Europeans referring to East Africans as 'Hamitic' is solely due to the Bible identifying them as the seed of Ham. EVERYBODY on the Earth is descendant of three people currently, Ham, Shem, or Japheth. Whites claim they are from Japheth (a lie), Arabs and so called Jews are from Shem, and Africans are descendants of HAM. So they can't call some Africans 'Hamitic' and some Negroes, because West Africans would STILL have to come from ONE of those three if you (they) are going to say Ham isn't their forefather. So like I said, you're mixing Hamitic theory and Biblical ancestry. I'm not.

6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.

10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,

12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.

13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,

14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.

15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,

16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,

17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

I used to think like you for a long time time my man. I'm not so sure now as I've gotten older and have been able to research things on my own.

So you really believe an old man made an Ark and kept damn near every animal on the planet on it for for 370 days?

 

[↓R↑LYB]

It always amuses me when people use the Bible as evidence of history. Whats next, Dr. Seuss?

 

[Czar]

And you're someone who can't understand the difference between Hamitic theory and Biblical ancestry.

Yet....

Biblically speaking, not really. Ham is the progenitor (father) of the dark races, which are the Africans. Negroes however, are not descendants of Ham, we are descendant of Shem. From Zondervan Bible Dictionary-

The Negro in America being African is one of the greatest lies that has ever been told. Now, Israel (some, maybe even most) lived in Africa for centuries so they probably did mix with Africans to an extent. The seedline is carried through the father though, so if the father was an Israelite and the mother was an African, the child is an Israelite. If it's vice versa, then no. But, we were commanded from Yahawah (God) to not mix with them, or anyone else. We were supposed to stay within the 12 tribes. There were certain times Yahawah allowed us to take wives of other nations, but we are supposed to stay holy (separate).

Deuteronomy 7:1-6

As far as whether the Chaldeans were Africans, I'd have to check because I don't know off-hand.

You've openly promoted the Hamitic Hypothesis, which was created by Eurocentrics to claim the accomplishments of the Hamites.

http://www.cui-zy.cn/Recommended/Nature&glabolization/HamticAfrica.pdf

 

[LionofJudah]

Zondervan Bible Dictionary has ZERO to do with Hamitic Theory.

 

[LionofJudah]

So you really believe an old man made an Ark and kept damn near every animal on the planet on it for for 370 days?

370 days? Where is that in the Bible?

 

[Czar]

Whites claim they are from Japheth (a lie),

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javan
http://classic.net.bible.org/dictionary.php?word=GREECE
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H3120
Javan = "Ionia" or "Greece"

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0002_0_01462.htmlzi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenaz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenaz_(disambiguation)
Germany, in a medieval Jewish context

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomer
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H1586
the eldest son of Japheth and grandson of Noah; the progenitor of the early Cimmerians and other branches of the Celtic family

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madai
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/median/median.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/acha/hd_acha.htm
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H4074
Media or Medes or Madai = "middle land"