It's crazy how closely Kendrick & Drake is mirroring Jay-Z & Nas

[ManBearPig]

Bravehearts == TDE ?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

This is more than just one album.... There's been many classic debut LP's. They don't necessary equate people to Nas. Ice Cube gave us AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted... does that me he was NAS due to a certified classic album? No.

J. Cole trajectory is equal with how Nas was coming up.... People listened to The Warm Up and believed J. Cole's potential of staying on that level of greatness yet it's something that's never repeated. since then Cole, despite growing in popularity always looked as someone that never repeated that same potential just like Nas had.... it took STILLMATIC for Nas to get an 2nd chance and longevity in his career to where it is now looked as legendary. J. Cole is on that equal trajectory.

Kendrick is more equal to BIGGIE than anything else. Someone that dropped a certified classic that was a MAINSTREAM monster, someone who's just purely gifted and on the verge of repeated it again while expanding himself musically.

gkmc was not on rtd's level AT ALL
HOW OLD ARE U KIDS?

 

[ManBearPig]

Were you born in 88'?
I'm not just talking lyrical skill.
I'm saying the things he says doesnt resonate with the people the way other nikkas did back in the days cause it sounds fugazi.
As hard as he tries. He doesnt have songs that people in the hood cherish like that.
He';s not FELT like other nikkas that talked about issues in the black community before him.

Hood nikkaz blast Maad city. fukk u telling me?

Maad city as in the song featuring MC eiht

 

[ISO]

Cole is way more like Nas.

How is Cole like Nas really I fail to hear it.

Cole has no street content, Nas did, Kendrick does. Kendrick took you into Compton with his last album the same way Nas took you into Queensbridge on Illmatic. In terms of lyrical talent Kendrick is way more comparable to Nas then J. Cole.

Breh, a big chunk of Cole's music is about females, his underdog status, his come up, somewhat conscious/pro-black songs, and the struggle but not really from a hood perspective like a Nas or Kendrick.

 

[Nomad1]

How is Cole like Nas really I fail to hear it.

Cole has no street content, Nas did, Kendrick does. Kendrick took you into Compton with his last album the same way Nas took you into Queensbridge on Illmatic. In terms of lyrical talent Kendrick is way more comparable to Nas then J. Cole.

Breh, a big chunk of music is about females, his underdog status, his come up, somewhat conscious/pro-black songs, and the struggle but not really from a hood perspective like a Nas or Kendrick.

lowkey this nikka is a great booth poster

 

[intilectual recipricol]

How is Cole like Nas really I fail to hear it.

Cole has no street content, Nas did, Kendrick does. Kendrick took you into Compton with his last album the same way Nas took you into Queensbridge on Illmatic. In terms of lyrical talent Kendrick is way more comparable to Nas then J. Cole.

Breh, a big chunk of music is about females, his underdog status, his come up, somewhat conscious/pro-black songs, and the struggle but not really from a hood perspective like a Nas or Kendrick.

aint nuffin street about naS unless you believe about naS wit a bag-o-guns

 

[ISO]

Of course it does. But he doesn't have a project that has lasting power. Universal acclaim doesn't just mean critics. Anyone can start movements/trends, which is what he's doing right now. Catchy songs that aren't great, but get stuck in yoUr head, and then replaced by other catchy songs using the same blueprint (SFTB' 0-100' Energy etc)' replay value is subjective, a classic album isn't. A classic album is a classic album.

Like I said breh, Drake has very good albums, and classic songs for sure. But not a classic project. He'll get one though. I don't think he's peaked.

I think he'll make one when he's forced to. I think when the time comes where he's not "the guy" anymore, and everything he touches isn't hot anymore, he'll go in and make a classic album. Just doesn't seem like he puts the effort in. Vocally he's capable of most things, creatively, he has a ways to go.

Conceptually he's very very basic. A lot of people compare him to Jay, because they both have braggadocious rap songs, but people forget that Jay has shyt like Song Cry, and shyt like D'Evils. Things that are just conceptually ahead.

95% of Drakes shyt is surface music. Nothing conceptually amazing, nothing that really makes you think. Drakes music is amazing production, smooth vocals, and anthems. Really good, but not enough to be considered a great artist. The last song he had that was conceptually ahead was maybe The Ride, and that wasn't even his song. Like i said, he's a great vocalist, and arguably the most vocally gifted rapper to ever do it. Just in the amount of tones he can use his voice in. But artistically he's behind.

And I think,his best will come when he actually has to draw people to his music again, when people don't just run to it because it's Drake, and he has to put some time in. He's at that stage where people are paying money for lazy throwaways. And he's selling out shows with it. He has no reason to push the envelope as an artist right now. Why fix it if it ain't broke?

Prince had his best album when he cooled off too. Sign o' the Times isn't as known as Purple Rain or Controversy, and it didnt sell as well, but it's still his greatest work. I think there will come a time where he'll drop an album that wasn't as explosively impactful sales wise like a TC or a NWTS, but it'll be his best project by far, and the highlight in his resume.

Staying power? Breh, Take Care has more staying power than any album released in the 2010's. I equate staying power with replay value. How is replay value subjective when I'm looking at it in the grand scheme of things and in the eyes of most people. Just the other day I'm going through my SnapChat and one of my homies put up a video of him and his homies bent in a room rapping along to Under Ground Kings.

I disagree I think he already peaked at Take Care, the album is classic top to bottom. Shot For Me, Over My Dead Body, Crew Love, Lord Knows, Marvin's Room, The Ride, The Real Her, Under Ground Kings, HYFR, The Motto, etc. I don't know how much more good music you want on the album.

The album gets burn years after, has classic songs, received critical acclaim from many publications, started movements yet it's just a regular album not classic.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

@ISOMELO been postin decent today

 

[ISO]

Cole is more like Kanye if anyone. Similar content, both went to college, both producers, both came up under Jay-Z, neither grew up necessarily poor. They play the underdog role. Kanye used to talk about how people didn't think he could spit, how he was viewed as a producer, how he survived the car crash. Cole does the whole "I'm not even supposed to be here, I had Nas posters, moved to NYC with my beat machine, a dollar and a dream" angle.

Cole's favorite album is actually The College Dropout, he sampled Workout Plan for his hit Workout, rapped over several Kanye beats in his mixtape days.

Kanye is on another level artistically but if Cole is comparable to anyone it's him.

 

[ManBearPig]

aint nuffin street about naS unless you believe about naS wit a bag-o-guns

Whatever bro.

Just remember that your idol got a Nas song attached to his name

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Hood nikkaz blast Maad city. fukk u telling me?

Maad city as in the song featuring MC eiht

That's it? Good for him

 

[onelastdeath]

There is no one that considers that album a classic outside of Drake diehards. No one. Ive never even heard anyone label that a classic album besides stans on forums no disrespect. There has been no acclaim for take care. Just people calling it was it is, a very good project. And as you said, it has "good music" top to bottom, which is true. But not great music.

I mean it's weird breh, do publications matter or not? You just said metacritic doesn't matter. Which is an average score of all the scores of all major publications. Yet at the same time you say there are some publications that gave it C.A.

Fact is, it was recieved well, not amazingly a la a GKMC or MBDTF. It wasn't even received as well as MKL. It isn't on anyone's HH list as a classic or a premier album of the decade, the only people who label that very good album a classic are his die hards. No one else.

But I love it. I went through it the other day.

Staying power? Breh, Take Care has more staying power than any album released in the 2010's. I equate staying power with replay value. How is replay value subjective when I'm looking at it in the grand scheme of things and in the eyes of most people. Just the other day I'm going through my SnapChat and one of my homies put up a video of him and his homies bent in a room rapping along to Under Ground Kings.

I disagree I think he already peaked at Take Care, the album is classic top to bottom. Shot For Me, Over My Dead Body, Crew Love, Lord Knows, Marvin's Room, The Ride, The Real Her, Under Ground Kings, HYFR, The Motto, etc. I don't know how much more good music you want on the album.

The album gets burn years after, has classic songs, received critical acclaim from many publications, started movements yet it's just a regular album not classic.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Whatever bro.

Just remember that your idol got a Nas song attached to his name

A) I dont have idols... what kinda fukk nikka shyt you on?
B) Pac dont have naS shyt attached to his name... what kinda fukk nikka shyt you on?
C) naS got a Pac tatoo on his body

 

[Jen The Prude]

I mean you can literally see this shyt playing out exactly how Nas and Jay-Z post-Ether did

Drake is dropping hot shyt for the clubs and party music, etc. like Jay was, putting out hit after hit, while Kendrick is getting on his pro-black militant tip like Nas did. They are like in their God's Son/Blueprint 2 era right now, although Kendrick is obviously taking some cues from Nas' "Untitled" era.

Everyone is praising Kendrick for implementing jazz and funk sounds on his new work, like Nas did when he dropped that "Bridging the Gap" joint with Olu Dara and that "Get Down" joint that sampled James Brown. Jay stans said it was boring, old sounding trash.. Nas stans said it was fresh, paying homage to the past and bringing that sound back to the mainstream.

Kendrick is even trying to be commercial, but like Nas, he doesn't know how. "i" was basically his version of Nas' "I can".

I think it's gonna play out pretty similar.. meaning, 20 years from now, we might be seeing college courses taught on GKMC or To Pimp a Butterfly, and have 20th anniversary concerts and documentaries about it, but if you ask me which one is gonna be the multi-millionaire mogul? Which one is likely to hire the other one to his own record label? It's clearly gonna be Aubrey

I think Drake is aiming for billionaire status and I think Papi just might make it....

 

[Apex]

Nah. Decent comparison but it's more


Jay cole is nas

Then who's Kendrick?