It Was Fun While It Lasted: The Official 2024 New York Yankees Off-Season Thread

[tremonthustler1]

This is really underwhelming, to say the least. But if losing Soto is what finally allows Hal to go all-in, and spend, that could be the silver lining. I don't have much faith in Cashman nor Boone, but it appears that we're stuck with them for now. Soto leaving had nothing to do with them.

If we move Stroman for Bellinger, and sign Max Fried,

Cohen was willing to go upwards of $800M for him. Smartly, we walked away and left the Mets left holding that bag. And in 4-5 years, I'd like the Yankees' organization to blatantly and publicly state that they won't be involved in any negotiations regarding Juan Soto. Let the other 28 teams compete for him.

This ain't the year to do that.


If you move Stroman for Bellinger and sign Max Fried, you're still worse. If anything, Cody would get in the way of either Dominguez in CF or Murakami in a year who needs to be the main target in 2026.

 

[BK360NATL]

My point is that there’s no shot at redemption now. This lineup is gonna likely be 2003-10 Cleveland cavaliers supporting cast levels of bad now in a sport where no single guy can carry a team to the playoffs. It’ll be like 2003-07 Barry Bonds. Empty numbers on an irrelevant team the rest of his career.

I don't agree with that. We made the playoffs without Soto. We went to the World Series with him and lost.

There's talent on this team, maybe not the elite talent that we'd all prefer, but no way in hell should we have spent $800M on Soto to stay. To be fair, had he stayed, no matter what we paid him, he would've always been little bro to Judge. I think besides getting paid, he wanted to be the top dog. So now he's big bro on the Mets, our legit lil bro. It is what it is.

Cole is our rotation anchor, and Judge is our lineup anchor. 95% of MLB teams wish they had those 2 as foundation pieces to build around. We'll add pieces and get right back to it in 2025. We'll be okay.

Let's see what the rest of our offseason looks like. It's still #28 or bust, til it happens.

 

[Walter H White]

Go get Seiya from the Cubs and also sign Christian Walker. Sign Fried and Scott. Dangle Spencer Jones for a big lefty bat, hopefully Martian breaks out. AL is soft right now, especially if Burnes leaves O’s

 

[holidayinn21]

I don't agree with that. We made the playoffs without Soto. We went to the World Series with him and lost.

There's talent on this team, maybe not the elite talent that we'd all prefer, but no way in hell should we have spent $800M on Soto to stay. To be fair, had he stayed, no matter what we paid him, he would've always been little bro to Judge. I think besides getting paid, he wanted to be the top dog. So now he's big bro on the Mets, our legit lil bro. It is what it is.

Cole is our rotation anchor, and Judge is our lineup anchor. 95% of MLB teams wish they had those 2 as foundation pieces to build around. We'll add pieces and get right back to it in 2025. We'll be okay.

Let's see what the rest of our offseason looks like. It's still #28 or bust, til it happens.

This is all I'm saying.

The Winter meetings haven't even started yet and they already saying next season is a dub, like we Pirates status.

They wilding in here. I can't get with this pessimistic shyt.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I don't agree with that. We made the playoffs without Soto. We went to the World Series with him and lost.

There's talent on this team, maybe not the elite talent that we'd all prefer, but no way in hell should we have spent $800M on Soto to stay. To be fair, had he stayed, no matter what we paid him, he would've always been little bro to Judge. I think besides getting paid, he wanted to be the top dog. So now he's big bro on the Mets, our legit lil bro. It is what it is.

Cole is our rotation anchor, and Judge is our lineup anchor. 95% of MLB teams wish they had those 2 as foundation pieces to build around. We'll add pieces and get right back to it in 2025. We'll be okay.

Let's see what the rest of our offseason looks like. It's still #28 or bust, til it happens.

There’s only 2 guys on this team besides Judge who had an OBP above .310 last year. Only one guy besides Judge who hit above .248 on the year. This team is closer to last place than the postseason now. The ace is gonna be 35 and the #2 starter will be 32 on opening day. The 2nd best hitter on the team will be 36. The window is slammed shut. The only thing we can do as fans now is refuse to show up and hope Hal realizes he’s gotta replace his GM because none of us should trust him to handle yet another rebuild after botching 2004-08, 2010-12, setting the baby bomber era back before it even began with his winter of 2013 offseason, and then wasting the entire Judge era. The next best hitter available is a third baseman on the wrong side of 30 who has been in decline and wants a big contract. Essentially making any big moves now this winter would be repeating 2013 all over again, which means they essentially have to punt on 2025 before the calendar even reaches 2025. This means hoping they can right the ship for 2026 when Judge will be 33, Cole will be 36, and Stanton will be 37.

 

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No matter how creative the Yankees get, nothing they do will make them serious contenders for a championship in 2025.

Getting Fried and/or Alonso only puts them in contention for a wild card spot. It wouldn't make them clear leaders.

The long shot of all long shot moves that would make them a real threat is packaging Stanton, Spencer Jones and maybe others to take Mike Trout off the Angels' hands. They'd eat a ton of money but if they were willing to go 760M for Soto, eating a fraction of that for Trout could be a relatively low risk, high reward. Because while the injury history is real, the production on the field when he does play has always been elite. You can't quite say that for Stanton.

If you went all out in that way, and maybe spent the money to get Max Fried...that might give them a top end rotation (Cole, Gil, Fried, Rodon) and then you could piece together a competent lineup around Judge and Trout. And then you'd have to pray Jasson Dominguez turns into a super 120 OPS+ bat.

This is all in theory.

It's going to take a lot to process what the Yankees will actually do between now and March.

I'm pessimistic.
For now I think you're looking at a sub-90 win team in 2025. We'll see.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I got love for Soto but he’s not like the guys you mentioned. But he’s a great fit with a great lineup, if your team isn’t built poorly.

Clearly in the wake of his exit, we can see how poorly this team has been built, so why try to put a band-aid on this? The Baby Bomber era is dead and gone. Why try to salvage it with shortsighted moves just so Judge can make Michael Wacha look like MadBum?

Go get Seiya from the Cubs and also sign Christian Walker. Sign Fried and Scott. Dangke Spencer Jones for a big lefty bat, hopefully Martian breaks out. AL is soft right now, especially if Burnes leaves O’s

the question for anyone coming in should be this: can you help carry Judge to a title? Soto in the playoffs was no worries. Stanton is like that but we know he'll miss 2 months and be useless for another month on top of that. We just need him in October. the biggest problem continues to be that we have too many bytches in big situationx and we lost the one guy that didn't worry us there. Nobody is afraid of the bats here, and it feels like the only way to change that without causing Hal to be paranoid about money is to develop that.

 

[tremonthustler1]

No matter how creative the Yankees get, nothing they do will make them serious contenders for a championship in 2025.

Getting Fried and/or Alonso only puts them in contention for a wild card spot. It wouldn't make them clear leaders.

The long shot of all long shot moves that would make them a real threat is packaging Stanton, Spencer Jones and maybe others to take Mike Trout off the Angels' hands. They'd eat a ton of money but if they were willing to go 760M for Soto, eating a fraction of that for Trout could be a relatively low risk, high reward. Because while the injury history is real, the production on the field when he does play has always been elite. You can't quite say that for Stanton.

If you went all out in that way, and maybe spent the money to get Max Fried...that might give them a top end rotation (Cole, Gil, Fried, Rodon) and then you could piece together a competent lineup around Judge and Trout. And then you'd have to pray Jasson Dominguez turns into a super 120 OPS+ bat.

This is all in theory.

It's going to take a lot to process what the Yankees will actually do between now and March.

I'm pessimistic.
For now I think you're looking at a sub-90 win team in 2025. We'll see.

Stanton isn't leaving and acquiring Trout is the capper in this fetish Cashman is getting players on the back end of deals praying the back of the baseball card gives us one more solid line.

It's not a good roster right now and the ONLY silver lining is that if you want Cashman gone, we're gonna get a lot closer to that than a World Series.

 

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I'm surprised at the outrage and despair in this thread.

We have known all season long that the Yankees were a top heavy team held together by Soto and Judge, surrounded by mediocre players at best.

We also have known since the season ended that the Yankees were not the most likely team to sign Soto.

This outcome was expected.

If you didn't think the Yankees needed to blow this all up and rebuild in the summer, what the hell took you so long?

Mantis and I have been saying it all year.
This organization is either going to throw more money in some form of Brute Force attack to remain competitive. Or they're going to start from scratch.

Ain't no half stepping.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

No matter how creative the Yankees get, nothing they do will make them serious contenders for a championship in 2025.

Getting Fried and/or Alonso only puts them in contention for a wild card spot. It wouldn't make them clear leaders.

The long shot of all long shot moves that would make them a real threat is packaging Stanton, Spencer Jones and maybe others to take Mike Trout off the Angels' hands. They'd eat a ton of money but if they were willing to go 760M for Soto, eating a fraction of that for Trout could be a relatively low risk, high reward. Because while the injury history is real, the production on the field when he does play has always been elite. You can't quite say that for Stanton.

If you went all out in that way, and maybe spent the money to get Max Fried...that might give them a top end rotation (Cole, Gil, Fried, Rodon) and then you could piece together a competent lineup around Judge and Trout. And then you'd have to pray Jasson Dominguez turns into a super 120 OPS+ bat.

This is all in theory.

It's going to take a lot to process what the Yankees will actually do between now and March.

I'm pessimistic.
For now I think you're looking at a sub-90 win team in 2025. We'll see.

Trout since 2017 has played in 114, 140, 134, 53 (out of 60), 36, 119, 82, and 29 games. He’ll turn 34 next season and is under contract until 2030. Like you said, no move they make can salvage a shot at the title now, so 2025 is a lost season. Taking on Trout would probably be a disaster. Trade Judge, Cole, and Stanton and hope against hope that skinny/bald Jerry Krause actually manages to develop the young guys after 30 years of failing to do so. No sense in trying to salvage the Judge era now. Look to the future.

Stanton isn't leaving and acquiring Trout is the capper in this fetish Cashman is getting players on the back end of deals praying the back of the baseball card gives us one more solid line.

It's not a good roster right now and the ONLY silver lining is that if you want Cashman gone, we're gonna get a lot closer to that than a World Series.

At this point you have to play as many young guys while dumping as many bad contracts as possible. Your window is shut so unless you’re getting young stars in their prime, don’t bother signing anyone at all anyway. The winter of 2013 was a decade ago now and it was such a disaster that even now we’re still paying for those mistakes. Either the young guys pan out or they crash and burn so bad the team goes into the toilet so Hal feels like he has to fire Cashman.

 

[jflores]

Unless I missed the memo we just lost the WS with Soto. Resigning Soto for what he just left for, this regime wasn’t going to go out and get more pieces. Don’t know what the answer is going to be, but there is still some moves to be made.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I'm surprised at the outrage and despair in this thread.

We have known all season long that the Yankees were a top heavy team held together by Soto and Judge, surrounded by mediocre players at best.

We also have known since the season ended that the Yankees were not the most likely team to sign Soto.

This outcome was expected.

If you didn't think the Yankees needed to blow this all up and rebuild in the summer, what the hell took you so long?

Mantis and I have been saying it all year.
This organization is either going to throw more money in some form of Brute Force attack to remain competitive. Or they're going to start from scratch.

Ain't no half stepping.

It’s that the Yankees have now definitively become the little brother franchise. Hal has turned them into the east coast white Sox. They’re a bad team with no future now both long term or short term and a GM who we all know will fukk up the next rebuild they put him in charge of. The appeal to free agent stars wanting to be here along with the entire presence the franchise once had is long gone and there’s no young stars to be hopeful for coming up while the people in charge insist they do everything right and tell us we’re unrealistic when we call them out on their shyt. That’s plenty of reason to be pessimistic in my book.

 

[Walt]

Now that he's no longer a Yankee, can we now admit that he's a DH playing OF, not worth 15 years, and that he cost us game 1, and likely the series, because of his bad defense?

He was a legit moron on the basepaths and an adventure in the outfield. 765 million for him is absurd.

That said, he gave me the most captivating Yankee ABs since Don Mattingly. Sheffield and Paul Oneill actually make that list for me personally. Just loved watching Soto hit and am thankful I got to see it. Have felt that way since he was in Washington. Can't be mad.

 

[Remote]

It’s that the Yankees have now definitively become the little brother franchise. Hal has turned them into the east coast white Sox. They’re a bad team with no future now both long term or short term and a GM who we all know will fukk up the next rebuild thru put him in charge of. The appeal of free agent stars wanting to be here along with the entire presence the franchise once had is long gone and there’s no young stars to be hopeful for coming up while the people in charge insist they do everything right and tell us we’re unrealistic when we call them out on their shyt.

Turn your pages to 1993.
*****'s is getting smoked, G.
Believe me.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Trout since 2017 has played in 114, 140, 134, 53 (out of 60), 36, 119, 82, and 29 games. He’ll turn 34 next season and is under contract until 2030. Like you said, no move they make can salvage a shot at the title now, so 2025 is a lost season. Taking on Trout would probably be a disaster. Trade Judge, Cole, and Stanton and hope against hope that skinny/bald Jerry Krause actually manages to develop the young guys after 30 years of failing to do so. No sense in trying to salvage the Judge era now. Look to the future.


At this point you have to play as many young guys while dumping as many bad contracts as possible. Your window is shut so unless you’re getting young stars in their prime, don’t bother signing anyone at all anyway. The winter of 2013 was a decade ago now and it was such a disaster that even now we’re still paying for those mistakes. Either the young guys pan out or they crash and burn so bad the team goes into the toilet so Hal feels like he has to fire Cashman.

You see it.

and if they sign someone on the cheap (like Thairo Estrada) and he pans out? Awesome. If Durbin comes up and he pans out? Great. But people gotta stop tryna pretend the Santanders and Alonsos are just Soto but cheaper. No matter how many pitchers we sign, Carlos Rodon is still part of the rotation fresh off the best year he's ever gonna give us.


But I NEVER wanna hear the Yankees bytch about money anymore. An easy way to avoid that is to not be in a rush to spend stupid money.