It’s a tough call but I have no issue with Joker winning it that guy does everything for that team and plays winning basketball
It Looks Like the MVP Outcome is all but Officially Decided
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gtj1982
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So Jokic was putting up crazy numbers on a bad team. How many times has that happened in NBA history and that player gets denied MVP? All of a sudden, special reservations for Jokic.
I think Giannis is MVP every year but let's not act like the 76ers and Nuggets aren't only 3 games apart in the win column.
The same CAC media who gave Steph the first unanimous MVP in history too. Are they selectively racist against Steph? Didn’t they give the Finals MVPs to other black dudes? What was the racist angle there? To undermine lightskinned nikkas?
And he goes from being bushed in the 2nd round last year and first round this year
So tell me who was even close to Steph on his unanimous year? Didn’t his team win 73 games that year? Who was remotely close to him to make an argument? The media had no choice but to make him unanimous.. trust if Bron was close they would’ve gave it to Bron…. it still doesn’t explain why Steph got 0 votes bro, not even 1 vote.. That shyt is egregious and aint no way you can spin that
T.he I.nformant
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Real tears will be cried in this thread
I have absolutely no issue with Jokic winning and no one should because they can’t come up with a coherent argument as to why he shouldn’t.
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threattonature
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Yup. He wasn’t my pick but it was so close at the top I have no beef if Jokic wins. He’s well deserving.
There's always going to be some degree of inherent bias there for white players, that is something that has, and will likely always exist, as long as the white voice shifts the tide of narratives in basketball, especially how white players are the minority in the NBA. But the problem here is, I don't think it's a factor that even registers on the radar for Jokic's campaign. Nobody talked about him coming in the 2021 season when he won MVP (he came on late to win it), and nobody talked about him coming into this season, where he's likely to win MVP.
He was an afterthought; nobody gave a fukk about him.
Whereas for the last two seasons, Luka has been the preseason MVP favorite, which you'd then expect the media to be dikkriding him from the start of the season, all the way to the end, but it's been the exact opposite. He's barely been mentioned, despite being on a team with one of the best records and putting up loud box score stats. He's carried his team to a better record than all of Embiid, Giannis and Jokic, while putting up 28, 9 and 9, yet he's not even in the conversation. He's clearly not benefitted from being white, has he?
He was an afterthought; nobody gave a fukk about him.
Whereas for the last two seasons, Luka has been the preseason MVP favorite, which you'd then expect the media to be dikkriding him from the start of the season, all the way to the end, but it's been the exact opposite. He's barely been mentioned, despite being on a team with one of the best records and putting up loud box score stats. He's carried his team to a better record than all of Embiid, Giannis and Jokic, while putting up 28, 9 and 9, yet he's not even in the conversation. He's clearly not benefitted from being white, has he?
desjardins
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I mean the employees of the Ringer basically went on a full fledge campaign for Jokic
That's kind of the irony of having media members decide the award, they get the opportunity to hype who they want to pick during the build up of the season. By the time they make their pre-determined selection it's already engrained in the minds of the public that that's who should have won
That's kind of the irony of having media members decide the award, they get the opportunity to hype who they want to pick during the build up of the season. By the time they make their pre-determined selection it's already engrained in the minds of the public that that's who should have won
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
The criteria for the award is what gets everyone in confusion about who deserves it. 1 minute it's let's reward the numbers next minute it's let's reward winning. Guys like kobe missed out on multiple mvps because then it was "let's reward winning" now guys like booker and giannis (although he has a couple now) and now embiid are missing out because it's "let's reward numbers and stats" as far as playing with injuries nearly every team has had to deal with that.
number21
Strive for rulership not equality, black man.
Can't wait for their coronation for Luka next year. The NBA media is going all in with their narratives.
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It’s a regular season award stop it
Also what round Embiid lose in last year he might lose first round too
OfTheCross
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are they still giving out those NBAPA Awards?
rbksNgirbauds
Even on the court we stay flyy, Jada & A.I.
The italicized hypothetical would be different tho, the post season "reviews" and conversations would have a different tonality to them and they would be contextualized accordingly. If Embiid flamed out with this squad (no injuries) in the first round, people would start coming for his neck. If Giannis flamed out (Middleton and Jrue go down) people would be more lenient, because he didn't go the whole season without those two. The conductor of the train was suddenly hit with a stroke and the train was derailed abruptly; as opposed to the crew being aware of the conductors condition well before the train left the tracks, and adapting accordingly. Both scenarios you're dealing with a conductor who suffers from strokes, but it's not the same. (Terrible analogy lol, but you get the point) So the adjustment handicap would be much more pronounced for Giannis, and people (majority) would deduce that and grade him accordingly. Nuance.
With Jokic, the letter grade is pretty much already set.. No matter what. Absolutely no nuance.
Still, what does that have to do with a player having a historically great regular season being rewarded accordingly with a "regular season" award?...I'm assuming you would ask.
The bolded. There's nothing but precedence to the contrary. To the tune of an uneducated guess of 8/10 as I stated earlier. Yes, on paper, the MVP is a regular season award. But let's be real here, historically it's been given to players who had outstanding (and not always the best btw) regular seasons, on perceived contending teams. Whether they lived up to it in the post season or not is irrelevant....the expectation for them to has always been the major caveat. There is no expectations for Jokic. None. There are for Embiid. There are for Giannis.
And again, I'm not saying that the feel good story MVP campaign should be outlawed or poo pooed or anything like that....just that running your ticket on that campaign, and winning, in back to back years, is a slap in the face to players that have to balance and mesh their talents with a better supporting cast. We're rewarding hero ball and penalizing team play at this point, essentially. Whether the hero ball was justified or not.
But the argument can be made that a new precedent is being established. Whether that's "good" or "bad" thing is conversation of it's own.