It Looks Like the MVP Outcome is all but Officially Decided

[rbksNgirbauds]

You seen who he has to play with? It's a cotdamn miracle he gets them into a playoff position in the first place.

How many players in the NBA could win 50 games with:

Aaron Gordon
Monte Morris
Will Barton
Jeff Green
Austin Rivers
JaMychal Green
Bones Hyland
Facundo Campazzo.

Off top prolly only : Steph, KD, Giannis and lastly Embiid....imo.
I see your point, but mines is that a one year MVP campaign off the strength of "look what he did with such and such" is cool, but back 2back years of violin playing, c'mon now that's diluting the award. We all know 8/10 MVPs are slotted on teams that have a chance to grab the chip, and not in no magic carpet ride type of way, but legit betting favorites.
Nuggets finna get waxed in the 1st Rd. That's not a good look back to back years your MVP not at least being in the conference finals

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

These are the same cac media members who literally gave Steph Curry 0 FMVP votes in the 2015 finals… 0 votes even tho his team won and he was the best player on his team by a fukkin mile…

Embid should be the mvp

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Regardless of who you think deserves the award, the NBA MVP being determined by the media is probably one of the most obtuse decisions the sport has made.

Again, like KD said in that Draymond interview: the media knows jack shyt about the game compared to himself and every single other NBA player.

Scalabrine said the same thing: there is so much microprocessing going on the game that the average person has zero idea about it.

It'd be so much more interesting and definitive if the players vote for it because they're the ones who have seen firsthand what player x does - not just on the court, but analyzed to high detail by the coaches during film sessions.

shyt, coaches and coaching staffs would be a better medium.

Players are the worst to vote on MVP. Literally, the worst. Too much bias and they don't have time/energy to spend watching teams play on a regular basis. J.R. Smith once said he doesn't give a fukk about watching other teams, and doesn't know anyone that does - only the tape that's put in front of him for key matchups. When players aren't actually playing, they're training/preparing, and when they aren't training/preparing, they're spending time with their families or doing philanthropy work, and when they're not doing that, they're switching off.

Knowing the game =/= being objective and watching games to give an accurate opinion on MVP.

 

[Benjamin Sisko]

Cacs looking out for other cacs, what else is new

 

[Primetime]

I feel like harden going to philly hurt whatever chances embiid had on some media bias shyt…they probably view him and harden as a superstar pairing as opposed to viewing harden as “broken” even if it’s true

More specifically, James’ poor play and Doc’s stubborn coaching f’d it up, IMO.

Post-trade, I said there were 4 big games that would be crucial for Embiid’s MVP case, because narrators would be narrating:

BK game
DEN game
PHX game
MIL game

They lost all of them, each in non-redeeming ways. The TOR game was just another cherry on top. Can’t be coughing up leads every time.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

What's the argument against him? What's the controversy?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Off top prolly only : Steph, KD, Giannis and lastly Embiid....imo.
I see your point, but mines is that a one year MVP campaign off the strength of "look what he did with such and such" is cool, but back 2back years of violin playing, c'mon now that's diluting the award. We all know 8/10 MVPs are slotted on teams that have a chance to grab the chip, and not in no magic carpet ride type of way, but legit betting favorites.
Nuggets finna get waxed in the 1st Rd. That's not a good look back to back years your MVP not at least being in the conference finals

MVP doesn't have anything to do with the playoffs though. No player in the NBA is dragging this Nuggets squad on a deep playoff run - you know that. Why then use it against Jokic? The 76ers could easily bow out in the first round, does that mean that Embiid isn't deserving either? If Jrue and Middleton go down suddenly (similar situation to Jokic who doesn't have his #2 and #3 options), Giannis probably wouldn't make it out of the 1st round, does that mean he wouldn't be deserving either?

The fact that Jokic has this squad at 50 games is a testament to his ability. It's not diluting a regular season award because he can't drag them to a deep playoff run; it shows how much he covers up for his support cast's lack of talent.

 

[Monsanto]

It's an analytics and record breaking era, once y'all get that understanding these awards will make sense. Most people don't know what they're looking at when it comes to ball at the highest level, but numbers? This number is bigger than that number.

So and so has averaged this set of stats that hasn't been done before



Shame that Wilt is being overrun because the NBA didn't record stats but that's another argument.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What bothers me the most is its not even close. All I've heard is this is one of the tightest MVP races ever and any of Giannis, Embiid or Jokic can deserve to win it.

Yet, in the final analysis Jokic wins by a landslide.

This is a stupid way of looking at it, which is not surprising coming from your rockhead ass.

A 1st place vote is simply who you think is most deserving. That doesn't mean just because someone votes for Jokic as MVP that they believe he's 1000000x more deserving than the other candidates - it's just they have to make a decision. For all we know, the majority of the panel could be torn between two or three players, and they're splitting hairs on who they think should win. A 1st place vote for Jokic is not saying that other players aren't deserving or that the race isn't close.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

at thinking this is some type of injustice.

I have absolutely no issue with Jokic winning and no one should because they can’t come up with a coherent argument as to why he shouldn’t.

If Jokic's name was Tyrese Jones and he hailed from Queens, we all know there'd be a complete opposite reaction to his MVP campaign. He'd be the most beloved player on this board: tough, skilled, goes about his business, and is a throwback to past eras.

 

[Bennett80]

Why is everyone in an uproar. Jokic obviously had a better season with less talent around him. Wtf

 

[Lil Bape the PostGod]

What's the argument against him? What's the controversy?

Just wait til luka gets one

place will be in a frenzy

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So Jokic was putting up crazy numbers on a bad team. How many times has that happened in NBA history and that player gets denied MVP? All of a sudden, special reservations for Jokic.

It's not that he's just putting up "crazy numbers", it's the fact he's doing literally everything for his team, surrounded by minimal talent, and he's carrying them to wins. This isn't a case of a player putting up high volume stats on a lottery team. This is a cat who generates offense to a higher degree than any big man that has ever played the game. The type of player you're describing is Boogie on those Kings squad when he was putting up 27 and 11, but they stayed loitering around in the lottery.

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

Off top prolly only : Steph, KD, Giannis and lastly Embiid....imo.
I see your point, but mines is that a one year MVP campaign off the strength of "look what he did with such and such" is cool, but back 2back years of violin playing, c'mon now that's diluting the award. We all know 8/10 MVPs are slotted on teams that have a chance to grab the chip, and not in no magic carpet ride type of way, but legit betting favorites.
Nuggets finna get waxed in the 1st Rd. That's not a good look back to back years your MVP not at least being in the conference finals

It's almost like the MVP is a regular season award and Jokic's campaign is predicated off the fact he went the bulk of the season without his #2 or #3. His second best player this season was Aaron Gordan

Coli really acts like this is a media conspiracy because Jokic is white when Luka is also white with a flashier game, averaging near a triple double, and won 3 more game than Jokic. Jokic is in this position because he is an offensive hub. The team around him this year is also so ass that the Dubs will probably double him half the series and make one of the trashmen on the roster beat them

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I brought up this discussion long ago, yet people didn’t listen

How do you determine who deserves a seat at the table when everyone in the league is putting up numbers?

The answer is simple: you watch games. Box score stats be dammed.

I remember not too long ago, nxggas on this board were dragging Gordon, saying he wasn't shyt and nothing more than a role player, as he wasted away in Orlando. Now, he's in Denver, coming off the best season of his career (as the #2 option, by default), getting easy looks on every other possession because of Jokic, and them same folks are ignoring the type of player they once perceived him to be.

Now, imagine if Kobe, MJ, Bron etc ended up winning 50 games with Aaron Gordon as their sidekick - what would they be saying......