It Looks Like the MVP Outcome is all but Officially Decided
- Thread starter Walt
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THE VAST MAJORITY
OF BASKETBALL MEDIA
GIVES 2 shytS ABOUT ADVANCED STATS
AND ARE TYPICALLY NARRATIVE
BASED.
vast majority of basketball media relies on the feedback of the media members who do value advanced stats to tell them how to vote
the Jokic push has been surrounded around his advanced numbers - the old media guard is just piggybacking off that because its the new thing and they dont actually watch games
Biscayne
Ocean air
Embid had 3 more wins with a team that was going through intra locker turmoil, trade rumors, actual trades and moving parts as well. Embid was the center of Philly being able to win 50 games inspite of it all, while being the NBA’s leading scorer, while playing the traditional big role in a league that has been slowly going away from that style of play, while still getting Philly to a top 4 seed.
Bron simply had more wins and the number 1 seed in the conference. This has usually been the rule as to why players got the MVP nod. If not number 1, than at least a top 3 seeding. Westbrook changed things.
I wouldn’t have given it to him this year due to their record…
If Jokic doesn’t win it all next year this will be remembered exactly like the back to back MVPs that Nash won.
If Jokic doesn’t win it all next year this will be remembered exactly like the back to back MVPs that Nash won.
I’d like to see a list of guys who wouldn’t have won mvp in the past using this new sliding scale.
Cuz it used to be almost a given that the best guy on the team with the best record got the MVP.
Cuz it used to be almost a given that the best guy on the team with the best record got the MVP.
Flex Grossman
Funky
You realize you’re contracting yourself right? Jokic and Nash’s circumstances were opposites. Nash got it over Kobe because he was the best player on one of the best teams. Kobe did what Jokic did this year and drag scrubs to the playoffs by having a historic season.
staticshock
Veteran
they’re not bums. They are legit NBA players who have spent multiple years in the league and they excel something. Everyone isn’t a star player or all star. You can still win with great role players (Dallas, Detroit, Toronto etc).
Again, you’re talking like the Nuggets roster is made up G-League or straight bums
well those teams also had MVP worthy players most likely
II am not trying to discredit Booker, hes having a great season - but he isnt on the level of the big 3 this season
and before CP3 got injured, he was getting more hype for MVP than Booker
the idea that the best player on the best team should win it is stupid - whats wrong with getting away from that narrative? Some (maybe often) times it will happen that way, but it shouldn't just be forced
charknicks
All Star
Besides the obvious Black/White argument, what real reason would people vote Embiid over Jokic for MVP? I dont see it.
Games: Jokic 74, Embiid 68
P/R/APG: Embiid 30.6/11.7/4.2, Jokic 27/13.8/7.9
FG%: Jokic 58.3, Embiid 49.9
FT/Game: Embiid 9.6, Jokic 5.1
DDs/TDs: Jokic 66 DDs/19 TDs in 74 games, Embiid 46 DDs/2 TDs in 68 games
Jokic had the first ever 2k/1k/500 season in the league history.
Those are some of the stats. Moreso, Jokic was missing his Top 2 teammates most/all of the season. Embiid was missing 1 of his (Simmons) but had the rest of his team, and ADDED Harden for the last 15-20 games.
There is no bias. Jokic had the better season.
Games: Jokic 74, Embiid 68
P/R/APG: Embiid 30.6/11.7/4.2, Jokic 27/13.8/7.9
FG%: Jokic 58.3, Embiid 49.9
FT/Game: Embiid 9.6, Jokic 5.1
DDs/TDs: Jokic 66 DDs/19 TDs in 74 games, Embiid 46 DDs/2 TDs in 68 games
Jokic had the first ever 2k/1k/500 season in the league history.
Those are some of the stats. Moreso, Jokic was missing his Top 2 teammates most/all of the season. Embiid was missing 1 of his (Simmons) but had the rest of his team, and ADDED Harden for the last 15-20 games.
There is no bias. Jokic had the better season.
The circumstances are exactly the same IMO.
2 guys who can’t win it all being rewarded by the media for putting up pretty stats.
you backed yourself into that corner comparing the supporting cast of the Nuggets (without Murray & MPJ) to the Grizz supporting cast
they’re not bums. They are legit NBA players who have spent multiple years in the league and they excel something. Everyone isn’t a star player or all star. You can still win with great role players (Dallas, Detroit, Toronto etc).
Again, you’re talking like the Nuggets roster is made up G-League or straight bums
it would be like if JJJ & Bane were out all next season - if that was the case (and Murray & MPJ were back), then would you be trying to compare the supporting cast of the Griz to a healthy Nuggets roster?
the Grizz supporting cast is miles better with Murray & MPJ out - that isnt even up for debate
Lil Bape the PostGod
Can’t talk to broke boys
You want an NBA where we reward guys like Bradley Beal.
So when he averages 40 next year and heroically leads the wizards to 39 wins I don’t wanna hear nothing except for give him the MVP.