IT: Chapter Two Official Thread

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But if king is saying that shyt happened in his town. And if I just told you something very similar happened in dc last year, how is it not realistic? How is it forced? I could be mistaken so I want to make sure, but are you saying gay people don’t have hate crimes committed against them?
I explicitly said hate crimes happen bro. I also said, EVERYTHING HAPPENS. It doesnt mean that its as normalized as gay media makes it seem like. What happened in the movie isnt happening in real life that way. Could happen in a worse way or different but not that way, not in 2019. I dont care if it happened in the 70s when King first started the story, this isnt the 70s or the 80s. Racism is different in 2019 than back then so obviously you can understand that homophobia is different in 2019 as well. Saying that scene is over the top homophobia is no different than EVERYONE knowing that Jussie Smollet was lying when he said some cacs ran up on him and put a noose around his neck etc. Doesnt mean that it hasnt happened but we understood that shyt was over the top.
 

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You sound like those white boys who argue until their blue in the face that there are no hate crimes against black people in 2019. People out here planning how they will kill all kinds of people just because they ain't like them. What I really wanna know is why is that reality so hard for you to accept. When did facts become "agenda"? That's some shyt an alt-right person would say about us when we talk about police brutality. That's it's all a lib or BLM agenda to promote the anti-white agenda. Y'all need to stop borrowing these nazi talking points.

Anti-gay hate crimes on the rise, FBI says, and they likely undercount

Anti-LGBT hate crimes are rising, the FBI says. But it gets worse
Grace Hauck, USA TODAYPublished 3:35 p.m. ET June 28, 2019 | Updated 7:59 a.m. ET July 1, 2019

Martin Boyce was at the Stonewall Inn in New York when riots broke out in June 1969, a moment seen as the birth of the LGBTQ rights movement. Robert Deutsch, USA TODAY

Friday marked 50 years since protesters fought back against a police raid of New York's Stonewall Inn and catalyzed the modern gay rights movement. But despite decades of progress, members of the LGBTQ community across the country are experiencing targeted acts of violence.

Hate crimes against LGBTQ people have been on a slight rise over the past three years, according to FBI data. While most hate crimes in the U.S. are motivated by bias toward race and religion, the number of crimes based on sexual orientation rose each year from 2014 to 2017, when 1,130 incidents were reported. Of those crimes, a majority targeted gay men.

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Crimes motivated by a bias toward gender identity – against transgender and non-binary individuals – have generally risen since 2013, when the FBI first began recording them. At least 11 transgender people have been fatally shot or killed by other violent means in 2019, according to the Human Rights Campaign. Recent media reports suggest that crimes against black transgender women, in particular, have spiked this year.

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The FBI data, however, likely dramatically underestimates the true number of hate crimes against the LGBTQ community, experts, say, given flaws in the current data collection process and massive discrepancies with the much larger number of self-reported incidents.

A better gauge of hate crime trends in the U.S. may be the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), a household-based survey administered by the U.S. Census Bureau. This self-reported data suggests that Americans experience closer to 200,000 hate crimes each year – a far cry from the FBI’s estimate of approximately 7,500.

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The NCVS data also suggests that a greater percentage of all hate crimes are motivated by a bias against sexual orientation than the FBI data.

Many people who experience hate crimes do not report the incidents to law enforcement, for various reasons.

“To the extent that we don’t have universal protections from discrimination on the basis of employment, housing, and public accommodations, if someone comes forward to report a hate crime, they could also be officially outing themselves as LGBTQ. In a smaller or rural community, that outing could result in an eviction or loss of a job,” said Robin Maril, Human Rights Campaign Associate Legal Director.

Are the young really the most tolerant? Results of this LGBTQ survey are 'alarming'

Some advocates point to the Trump administration’s policies and rhetoric as potential catalysts for the increasing violence in recent years.

After Trumps' election, the Southern Poverty Law Center counted 201 incidents of election-related harassment and intimidation across the country, including incidents targeting the LGBTQ community and people of color.

In 2017, the president announced on Twitter that he would be banning transgender people from the military. At an annual National Prayer Breakfast this past February, Trump defended a state-funded Michigan adoption agency’s efforts to ban gay and lesbian couples from adopting children.

“The level of discourse that we are getting from the Trump administration and leadership only hurts our community, only hurts trans people,” Maril said. “It gives a sense of impunity and a license to harm folks.”

Under the Obama administration, the average number of anti-gay hate crime incidents reported to the FBI each year was higher than the number of incidents reported in 2017. In 2008, the FBI reported 1,297 anti-gay hate crime. That number fluctuated but eventually fell to 1,135 in 2012 and 1076 in 2016.
Right on cue.:russell: One comment of the homophobia scene was a bit over the top with the herpes face kid and people start dropping graphs. Never seen you post FBI graphs for..."others":mjlol:
 

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I explicitly said hate crimes happen bro. I also said, EVERYTHING HAPPENS. It doesnt mean that its as normalized as gay media makes it seem like. What happened in the movie isnt happening in real life that way. Could happen in a worse way or different but not that way, not in 2019. I dont care if it happened in the 70s when King first started the story, this isnt the 70s or the 80s. Racism is different in 2019 than back then so obviously you can understand that homophobia is different in 2019 as well. Saying that scene is over the top homophobia is no different than EVERYONE knowing that Jussie Smollet was lying when he said some cacs ran up on him and put a noose around his neck etc. Doesnt mean that it hasnt happened but we understood that shyt was over the top.

Got you. But I don’t think it was over the top at all. That’s where we disagree
 

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Right on cue.:russell: One comment of the homophobia scene was a bit over the top with the herpes face kid and people start dropping graphs. Never seen you post FBI graphs for..."others":mjlol:

Might want to review my comment history. This is my M.O. and I mostly do in regards to discussions about race. It just so happens this one isn't about race, but yeah, usually I like discussions that center around data rather than conjecture (i.e. people's theories about 'agenda' vs. facts).
 
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damn this shyt was ASS! fukk this shyt

only good parts was the beginning when guy dude got tossed in the bushes and It ate his ass

also, the bleacher scene was really really good even though i thought that birthmark was just lipstick or coloring on her cheek.

i wish they had It be more of a child predator and kidnapped kids and made this more of a crime thriller. would be piff

him eating kids and being a monster is corny for 2019
 

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I explicitly said hate crimes happen bro. I also said, EVERYTHING HAPPENS. It doesnt mean that its as normalized as gay media makes it seem like. What happened in the movie isnt happening in real life that way. Could happen in a worse way or different but not that way, not in 2019. I dont care if it happened in the 70s when King first started the story, this isnt the 70s or the 80s. Racism is different in 2019 than back then so obviously you can understand that homophobia is different in 2019 as well. Saying that scene is over the top homophobia is no different than EVERYONE knowing that Jussie Smollet was lying when he said some cacs ran up on him and put a noose around his neck etc. Doesnt mean that it hasnt happened but we understood that shyt was over the top.
how are gay people normally assaulted? :jbhmm:
 

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The ending was horrible... the losers imagining themselves giant N squishing the Spider would’ve been better then the trash they filmed :mjlol:


I also feel like There shoulda been more pennywise trolling not jus him turning himself in a cartoon scary ____

Like in the OG film he kept trolling them that Stan dead etc...if my memory is correct he was digging graves or some shyt laughing N dancing N shyt... while dudes drive by :merchant:more of that especially when each loser went on there own more pennywise trolling instead of jus flashbacks
 

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This shyt was ass to me. I enjoyed the first one, but this didn't move me at all.

For those who have read the novel. How close to the source material is this?
 

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Watched this tonight. Will offer thoughts tomorrow. Gotta say this though...Fukunaga not directing these two films will always be one of the biggest what-ifs in cinematic history. Also can't believe Muschetti
ran with that bum ass fangirl Reddie theory :scustpennywise:
 
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