IT Certifications and Careers (Official Discussion Thread)

[2Quik4UHoes]

The only certs Security related certs I've been asked for was Security+ or CEH which was years ago. The CISSP, OSCP or any SANS certs seem to be the most popular these days. The SANS certs are probably the easiest. But are out of most people's and companies price range. I've seen companies require SANS certs to work for them. Yet won't pay for their own employees to get those same SANS certs.


These companies are full of shyt and don't know what they want. They care more about how someone looks on paper rather than being good at their job.

The shyt just kills me. They want fukkin unicorns that look good on paper but are also personable and have all of the soft skills needed in an office environment. But they’d rather go with a mute that has a cert over a breh that’s a fast learner on the job and great with people. fukk em, ima still get in anyway.

 

[JT-Money]

The shyt just kills me. They want fukkin unicorns that look good on paper but are also personable and have all of the soft skills needed in an office environment. But they’d rather go with a mute that has a cert over a breh that’s a fast learner on the job and great with people. fukk em, ima still get in anyway.

At most companies you aren't gonna learn real cybersecurity skills anyway. At the most you might babysit cybersecurity equipment or technology. But you're really just their as a scapegoat or to clean up the mess after a breach. Hell if you point out too many Security holes you'll be branded as a bigger threat. Because you're holding up progress and costing the company money.

Companies who's business it is to sell cybersecurity tend to do real Security work. Because that's how they make money.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

At most companies you aren't gonna learn real cybersecurity skills anyway. At the most you might babysit cybersecurity equipment or technology. But you're really just their as a scapegoat or to clean up the mess after a breach. Hell if you point out too many Security holes you'll be branded as a bigger threat. Because you're holding up progress and costing the company money.

Companies who's business it is to sell cybersecurity tend to do real Security work. Because that's how they make money.

See that’s that shyt I don’t like. Cuz I’ll be quick to point out an issue because I ain’t tryna clean that shyt up later. But I ain’t even in IT yet and I’ve seen enough in my work and life to know most people don’t give a fukk about security for real.

These greedy fukks just counting the days until all IT work is automated. Ima be actin an ass once I get my CEH, but shyt sucks all this need for certs (granted, I understand the value of it) puts unnecessary pressure on shyt. I’ve already fukked around with VMs, played with Kali Linux, mafukka just get me in an office and let me fukk around until I’m sharp. They’d get a cheaper employee fr and I’d end up homegrown. Most of these companies just don’t give a shyt.

 

[DaRealness]

The only certs Security related certs I've been asked for was Security+ or CEH which was years ago. The CISSP, OSCP or any SANS certs seem to be the most popular these days. The SANS certs are probably the easiest. But are out of most people's and companies price range. I've seen companies require SANS certs to work for them. Yet won't pay for their own employees to get those same SANS certs.


These companies are full of shyt and don't know what they want. They care more about how someone looks on paper rather than being good at their job.

This is why I see certain companies always advertising for the same position for several months, because they're too damn fussy.

Some of these companies want a young candidate with damn near 50 years experience, 1000 certs and exposure to everything IT related. Some of their demands are so outrageous I have to wonder why they even bother to advertise the role at all. The funny thing is, all that time spent advertising the position could have been used training someone up. But they want you to hit the ground running like some type of miracle man without offering any assistance. Nine times out of ten the pay isn't even all that to begin with and the work itself isn't rocket science.
I remember someone posting a real job post that required something like 10 years experience of a certain technology that had only been around for a few years.

 

[JT-Money]

This is why I see certain companies always advertising for the same position for several months, because they're too damn fussy.

Some of these companies want a young candidate with damn near 50 years experience, 1000 certs and exposure to everything IT related. Some of their demands are so outrageous I have to wonder why they even bother to advertise the role at all. The funny thing is, all that time spent advertising the position could have been used training someone up. But they want you to hit the ground running like some type of miracle man without offering any assistance. Nine times out of ten the pay isn't even all that to begin with and the work itself isn't rocket science.
I remember someone posting a real job post that required something like 10 years experience of a certain technology that had only been around for a few years.

I just wait until after they get breached or hacked in the news then apply. By then these clowns are so desperate they won't even haggle on salary or experience. But if they talk shyt about you're gonna do this or that I ghost their ass.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

This is why I see certain companies always advertising for the same position for several months, because they're too damn fussy.

Some of these companies want a young candidate with damn near 50 years experience, 1000 certs and exposure to everything IT related. Some of their demands are so outrageous I have to wonder why they even bother to advertise the role at all. The funny thing is, all that time spent advertising the position could have been used training someone up. But they want you to hit the ground running like some type of miracle man without offering any assistance. Nine times out of ten the pay isn't even all that to begin with and the work itself isn't rocket science.
I remember someone posting a real job post that required something like 10 years experience of a certain technology that had only been around for a few years.

I swear this is my number 1 gripe about the industry. I could be well into an IT career right now but because of the demand for certs I’ve been holding off while I study. But it really imposed a one size fits all kind of arrangement and honestly that’s some cutting your nose to spite your face shyt.

You want quality workers but don’t want to take the little time it takes to train them. As far as I’m concerned, as long as you at least have a basic knowledge level and you’ve actually dealt with things like VMs or the IOS terminal that should be enough for a tech company to work with.

But by all means, take my hundreds just for a fukkin piece of paper that says I know what the fukk I’m doin as if I ain’t pass my IT courses with honors.

 

[DaRealness]

I swear this is my number 1 gripe about the industry. I could be well into an IT career right now but because of the demand for certs I’ve been holding off while I study. But it really imposed a one size fits all kind of arrangement and honestly that’s some cutting your nose to spite your face shyt.

You want quality workers but don’t want to take the little time it takes to train them. As far as I’m concerned, as long as you at least have a basic knowledge level and you’ve actually dealt with things like VMs or the IOS terminal that should be enough for a tech company to work with.

But by all means, take my hundreds just for a fukkin piece of paper that says I know what the fukk I’m doin as if I ain’t pass my IT courses with honors.

If it wasn't for the need to have certs believe me I wouldn't be touching them with a barge pole lol. But there's no easy way out or shortcuts if you want to move higher up the ladder in IT and have financial security. I started off as a hardware break fix engineer that was paying good money at the time, but nowadays with cloud, more reliable servers and customers replacing hot swappable parts on their own, the work isn't there like it used to be back in the day.

The sad reality is, they just want someone who has a certificate and a good looking LinkedIn profile and resume, when all it does is show they can remember enough shyt to pass an exam. That's all it boils down to if we're being honest. I remember when they used to give you a shot as long as you had decent experience and potential. Things are different now.

 

[DaRealness]

One other thing, as cliche as it is, a lot of the time it is who you know. That's why I always stress the importance of networking. Most black people don't usually have the luxury of nepotism unlike cacs who can become CEOs of global corporations at 10 years old because of who their dad is, but it's always important to reach out to as many as folk as possible and get friends of friends to put in a good word. That will increase your chances even if you don't have all the certs they ask for.

 

[Artenche]

With all do respect, I agree with a lot of the above, this shyt is constant learning. It's a revolving door of people who have the skills and the people who don't.

You're gonna find companies that like spending money on training and some who don't and want to get the best candidate with the bear minimum of effort on their end. I see it all the time.

Best way to combat this? Well, just start learning today and stop putting it off until tomorrow. You're always going to be learning with or without a job anyway-- so follow through with those certs and accept that they will always fukk with the qualifications. Take those interviews you think are out of your league just to see how it goes if not for learning purposes.

Carve out your niche and I guarantee you'll find the role you want. I see nikkas going on and on about what the next best thing is instead of leveling up. Same nikkas don't have the qualifications or the skills they were talking about 3 years later.

If you spent more time during those 3yrs studying and less time talking about it you would have the role. Trust me, this breh knows from experience.

y'all go get it now.

 

[Mirin4rmfar]

I swear this is my number 1 gripe about the industry. I could be well into an IT career right now but because of the demand for certs I’ve been holding off while I study. But it really imposed a one size fits all kind of arrangement and honestly that’s some cutting your nose to spite your face shyt.

You want quality workers but don’t want to take the little time it takes to train them. As far as I’m concerned, as long as you at least have a basic knowledge level and you’ve actually dealt with things like VMs or the IOS terminal that should be enough for a tech company to work with.

But by all means, take my hundreds just for a fukkin piece of paper that says I know what the fukk I’m doin as if I ain’t pass my IT courses with honors.

lol gotta cert up man...all the top companes are looking at certs

Ernest n Young

• CISSP, CISM, CISA, CIPT, CIPM, CRISC or other relevant certification desired; non-certified hires are required to become certified within 1 year from the date of hire
• A willingness to travel to meet client needs; travel is estimated at 25-50%
• A valid driver's license in the US and a valid passport required; willingness and ability to travel internationally

Amazon
An advanced degree in computer science, MIS, engineering or related discipline, and relevant industry certifications (CISSP, CISA/M, CIPP/CIPM/CIPT)


I got hired by my company strictly off potential because I had certs that a lot of people that were working for them were not able to pass. Every cert I got for is built around Amazon requirements although I dont work for them. Getting key certs take time but I just want to put my mind at ease that if I were to ever get let go, I will give myself the best opportunity to get other jobs. That's the only you will provide to a manager you are willing to learn.

Although my job is technical, I eventually will move away from this next year because there are people making over six figure chilling without the stress.

 

[Lord Z]

lol gotta cert up man...all the top companes are looking at certs

Ernest n Young

• CISSP, CISM, CISA, CIPT, CIPM, CRISC or other relevant certification desired; non-certified hires are required to become certified within 1 year from the date of hire
• A willingness to travel to meet client needs; travel is estimated at 25-50%
• A valid driver's license in the US and a valid passport required; willingness and ability to travel internationally

Amazon
An advanced degree in computer science, MIS, engineering or related discipline, and relevant industry certifications (CISSP, CISA/M, CIPP/CIPM/CIPT)


I got hired by my company strictly off potential because I had certs that a lot of people that were working for them were not able to pass. Every cert I got for is built around Amazon requirements although I dont work for them. Getting key certs take time but I just want to put my mind at ease that if I were to ever get let go, I will give myself the best opportunity to get other jobs. That's the only you will provide to a manager you are willing to learn.

Although my job is technical, I eventually will move away from this next year because there are people making over six figure chilling without the stress.

You getting more certs ? , you got them all already big dawg

By the way, these big 4 guys are crazy breh. They will ask you all these certs but have some non cert knucklehead as your manager. I was on a call with 2 managers & 1 senior manager and nobody knew what GRC stands for. 60% of the managers in cybersecurity at 2 Big 4 companies weren't certified (or knowledgeable either) and had some of the biggest egos you will ever come across

 

[Mirin4rmfar]

You getting more certs ? , you got them all already big dawg

By the way, these big 4 guys are crazy breh. They will ask you all these certs but have some non cert knucklehead as your manager. I was on a call with 2 managers & 1 senior manager and nobody knew what GRC stands for. 60% of the managers in cybersecurity at 2 Big 4 companies weren't certified (or knowledgeable either) and had some of the biggest egos you will ever come across

Yeah, I need to knock out the CRISC and CIPM. I see the CISSP/CISA/CCSP/CRISC/CIPM as the 5 infinity stones.

A lot of it has to do with my first job out of college, I seen so many people get let go left and right that I stay on my toes. It was my wake up to see how dirty corporate america can do people. If I get dropped, I want my resume to stand out quickly with Certs and Technical skills to back it up.

That's why I eventually want an upper management or project manager position so I can send emails saying has this been fixed yet? Client is getting frustrated, please resolve? while getting a fat check lol. I am turning 32, its now or never to move to these top companies then later leave and work for a smaller company when ageism really hits. Its all a damn game.

 

[Lord Z]

Yeah, I need to knock out the CRISC and CIPM. I see the CISSP/CISA/CCSP/CRISC/CIPM as the 5 infinity stones.

A lot of it has to do with my first job out of college, I seen so many people get let go left and right that I stay on my toes. It was my wake up to see how dirty corporate america can do people. If I get dropped, I want my resume to stand out quickly with Certs and Technical skills to back it up.

That's why I eventually want an upper management or project manager position so I can send emails saying has this been fixed yet? Client is getting frustrated, please resolve? while getting a fat check lol. I am turning 32, its now or never to move to these top companies then later leave and work for a smaller company when ageism really hits. Its all a damn game.

That's a real plan you got there
We definitely see things the same way, people got let go early in my career too which is why I cert the way I do. Like you said, corporate is some fukk shyt . We make our bread and keep it moving, these devils ain't our friends . I'm slowly heading towards auditing and I ain't going to be a nice guy either

 

[Rhyme n Tekniq]

This is why I see certain companies always advertising for the same position for several months, because they're too damn fussy.

Some of these companies want a young candidate with damn near 50 years experience, 1000 certs and exposure to everything IT related. Some of their demands are so outrageous I have to wonder why they even bother to advertise the role at all. The funny thing is, all that time spent advertising the position could have been used training someone up. But they want you to hit the ground running like some type of miracle man without offering any assistance. Nine times out of ten the pay isn't even all that to begin with and the work itself isn't rocket science.
I remember someone posting a real job post that required something like 10 years experience of a certain technology that had only been around for a few years.

Yeah since Covid, I been seeing an uptick in these regular ass roles having "Sr. ;Senior" arbitrarily thrown in the title and asking for 10 years experience for less than $100K....Same roles use to require 2 to 3 or 3-5 years

Delusional muthafukkers trying to manipulate the market.

They gon have to pay one way or the other and these fukkin unicorns they are lookin for will never show.

Even if they exist i'm sure they cant afford them.

 

[Artenche]

Yeah since Covid, I been seeing an uptick in these regular ass roles having "Sr. ;Senior" arbitrarily thrown in the title and asking for 10 years experience for less than $100K....Same roles use to require 2 to 3 or 3-5 years

Delusional muthafukkers trying to manipulate the market.

They gon have to pay one way or the other and these fukkin unicorns they are lookin for will never show.

Even if they exist i'm sure they cant afford them.

i dont even blink at those job postings

senior roles should start at $150k per year minimum

what a joke