Israel–Hamas War: 10/7/2023 - Present

[OJ Simpsom]

They are so so done

Wish that shyt blew her head off. fukk IDF.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

It is not what the IDF teaches all its new recruits, I know because I was in the IDF. Many who study in that institution serve in the IDF, that's true, but they are a minority. Those quotes were a big scandal in Israel so it would be foolish to say that the mainstream agrees with them.

Most Israelis want peace and believe in peace. The country had military forces in Gaza till 2005 and left, hoping that would eventually lead to a peace agreement. Why are you blaming Israel for making Gaza a prison (before this war) if Gaza has a border with Egypt? Why didn't Egypt help their fellow Arabs?

You're repeating the same lies - almost word for word - as Hillary Clinton. It's ridiculous.

Myth: The Gaza Strip is no longer occupied | Decolonize Palestine

Israel's withdrawal from Gaza was a mere reconfiguration of its occupation, as it maintained effective control of the strip even without a physical presence. It also did not 'leave' the strip out of some peaceful gesture, but was pushed out by Palestinian resistance.

decolonizepalestine.com

While it is true that Israeli forces and settlers withdrew from within Gaza in 2005 due to Palestinian resistance, this does not mean that all manifestations of the occupation were ended. How is this possible?


There is a general misconception regarding what constitutes a military occupation. Many believe that it takes boots on the ground to consider an area occupied, but today this is no longer the case. For an area to be considered occupied the occupying state must exercise “effective control” over the occupied area. This idea becomes even more clear when we consider Israeli surveillance and monitoring technology that allow for greater control of an area through controlling select key positions without the necessity of a full occupation force in the territory.


It is without a doubt that Israel holds effective control over the Gaza strip, Israeli law experts would naturally beg to differ, but these same experts argued that Gaza was unoccupied even before Israel withdrew its forces and settlers anyway. Israel controls virtually every aspect of life in Gaza. Israel maintains control of Gaza’s airspace, its territorial waters, no-go zones within the strip and even the population registry, meaning Israel even gets to determine who is a Palestinian and who isn’t inside the Gaza strip. What kind of sovereign, non-occupied entity can’t even determine who its citizens are?

This is not conjecture, but the opinion of the United Nations, Amnesty International, the International Red Cross, and countless other international organizations specialized in human rights and international humanitarian law.

However, we must situate the Israeli claims that Gaza is not occupied within its correct historical context. As mentioned above, even prior to 2005, Israel always argued that the Gaza strip was unoccupied, even with its troops and settlements and military bases. As a matter of fact, Israel even claims the same about the West Bank to this day.

The argument being that for an occupation to exist, a territory must be part of a sovereign state, which the West Bank and the Gaza Strip were not, even though they were controlled by other sovereign states. This same justification is used to argue that the Geneva conventions, and international and humanitarian law in general, don’t apply to Palestinians. Of course, this argument was never accepted by the world community which still maintains that these areas are occupied.


The lesson here is that Israeli legal claims have never been in good faith. If Israel could legally claim that an area with thousands of soldiers and dozens of bases and settlements is not occupied, then of course it would argue the same for Gaza today.

 

[OJ Simpsom]

FYI according to her, that was intended and it was suppose to be a funny video, they didn't meant it to go online though

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

So you can't answer why did Egypt put them in prison ah?

Anyone here using the word genocide doesn't know anything about the population growth in Gaza. There are some data that says your talking bs.

More than half of Israelis didn't vote Netanahu but facts won't change your mind

You're a vile piece of shyt. You're talking nonsense by trying to deflect to Egypt when Palestinians live under an occupation and blockade imposed and enforced by Israel.

As far as you braindead attempt to minimize Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by pointing to population growth: see next post.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Myth: There was no ethnic cleansing because the population increased | Decolonize Palestine

Claiming that a population increase "proves" that there was no ethnic cleansing betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the term.

decolonizepalestine.com

When Israeli propaganda becomes so absurd that even its target audience raises an eyebrow, the need arises to imbue it with a pseudo-scientific sheen. At the end of the day, apologists for Israel aren’t actually going to do any research on the matter before absorbing it into their repertoire of mythology; all a talking point needs to accomplish is to sound plausible, regardless of how false it is. After all, this is about making claims, not reflecting reality.

In this context, we see all kinds of numbers and sources emerging that supposedly “debunk Palestinian propaganda”. We saw this with Joan Peters’ “From Time Immemorial”, which cherry-picked and distorted data to make unfounded claims and allegations not supported by the aforementioned data [You can read more about this here].

Similarly, we see population charts and numbers being deployed all over social media to “prove” that there never was any ethnic cleansing of Palestinians during the Nakba. These same sources had also previously written about the “demographic danger” of allowing Palestinian refugees to return. It is quite amusing how one must contort themselves into a knot to try and make any sense of the Zionist narrative of history.

Absurdity of these claims aside, this manipulation of sources and data could serve as a good teaching moment; just because hasbarists cite a source, it doesn’t make it reliable, scientific or even representative of its actual content.

It is no surprise that social media has also become a battleground for hearts and minds when it comes to Palestine. Zionist propaganda has always adapted to whatever is trendy at the time; at its inception, it argued that the Zionists were enlightened colonists who would bring the “backwards” Palestine into civilization, a feat the natives could not accomplish. As colonialism fell out of favor, suddenly Zionist colonizers started rebranding themselves as a force for decolonization, the absolute opposite of their forefathers.

Today, with the recent rise to prominence of a distorted and shallow understanding of identity politics in the US, we see that hasbarists are once again adapting according to popular rhetoric. Suddenly, we see Zionism being detached from its material history and presented as an integral part of an identity. This is especially popular in the West, where young Zionists who are raised on propaganda and myths of the Zionist project come to treat it as inseparable from themselves. Here, we see the cynical twisting of social justice language to frame any criticism of Israel as antisemitic.

In this context, many Zionist “influencers” -often on the payroll of Israel and its various hasbara organizations- have risen to prominence, spreading disinformation and propaganda couched in progressive language. One such propagandist is Hen Mazzig, who recently shared a laughably bad series of images “debunking” the Nakba, using terrible statistics to try and flip reality on its head:

I’m certain that you can instantly see some of the problems with this graph. Twitter user Terriblestats published a series of short videos absolutely demolishing the claims presented.

You will notice that they utilize many of the methods to lie with statistics explored earlier in the article. For example, the graph conveniently inspects the areas of “West Bank, Gaza Strip, Israel” to measure any population change. This is similar to the New York and Austin example above; they are trying to tell you since no population decreased in this area there was no ethnic cleansing. This is clearly false. Another problem with this chart is that it purposefully lacks any kind of data points, obscuring the fact that many Palestinians were expelled to neighboring Arab countries.

This brings us to our next point: The data. Mazzig claims the data is from the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS). The PCBS can indeed be a good source of information on Palestinians today; however, notice how no specific report is cited, just a whole website full of hundreds of reports. The specific numbers used by this chart cannot be verified from the website by a cursory look at the majority of their population statistics.

Even the way the chart is designed would not pass a Statistics 101 class, as it doesn’t even present consistent units of measurement. Notice how the first notch is 30 years, and the remaining ones are 10. If we look at the other graphics in the post, the years and the population being measured are also inconsistent. This was done deliberately to affect the steepness of the inclination of the line on the graph, and by doing so imply a more “rapid” change than what actually occurred.

Once again, we strongly recommend looking at the short videos from Terriblestats for a more illustrated explanation of this post and how it is fudging the numbers.

Ultimately, none of the people spreading these images and memes will fact-check them. We see this all the time in Zionist propaganda. We have seen claim after claim of posts “debunking” well-documented Palestinian history and events by simply contesting them, without providing any real evidence or argument. Quite often, the “debunkings” rely on distortions and outright lies like the case above.

But as we usually say, the goal of propaganda is never to reflect reality. Propaganda exists to make political claims and justify them. It doesn’t even matter if these claims are illogical, all they need to do is support a certain worldview or ideology and its apologists will uncritically adopt it. As our website consistently demonstrates, these ahistorical talking points and dishonest framings comprise much of Zionist propaganda, where ridiculous claims that could be debunked within a minute of research become the cornerstone of a narrative.

 

[Techniec]

So you can't answer why did Egypt put them in prison ah?

Anyone here using the word genocide doesn't know anything about the population growth in Gaza. There are some data that says your talking bs.

More than half of Israelis didn't vote Netanahu but facts won't change your mind

Look at this retard

The fact that the Egyptian state, compromised as it is, and taking orders as it has been for decades, doesn't assist the Palestinians, doesn't in any way absolve Israel of its behaviour

But you know this faccot, you just think we're too stupid to see through your hasbara

My man even went with the population increase as proof of no genocide argument



The world spits on you

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Just like @Sccit, @KillKenny is also an arrogant racist: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/white-hiphop-heads-saving-the-culture-fact.660977/#post-31048205

 

[that guy]

You're a vile piece of shyt. You're talking nonsense by trying to deflect to Egypt when Palestinians live under an occupation and blockade imposed and enforced by Israel.

As far as you braindead attempt to minimize Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by pointing to population growth: see next post.

He really tried to pull the white Jewish version of “black people sold each other into slavery”

 

[that guy]

Just like @Sccit, @KillKenny is also an arrogant racist: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/white-hiphop-heads-saving-the-culture-fact.660977/#post-31048205

“White people saved hip-hop culture”



Ayo @Sccit @KillKenny thanks for laughs today

 

[KillKenny]

Myth: There was no ethnic cleansing because the population increased | Decolonize Palestine

Claiming that a population increase "proves" that there was no ethnic cleansing betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the term.

decolonizepalestine.com

LOL
I read all that shyt hoping he will provide data that will say the Palestine population in Gaza didn't in fact grow tremendously but nah he didn't. Mentioned a data, with a source, and just goes saying: that's not true. Well that's one hell of a argument you got there

 

[Jesus H. Christ]

They are so so done

I just wish it wasn't at the expense of American tax payers money.

 

[Jesus H. Christ]

The IDF really posting on here. All of y'all can eat my dikk.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

LOL
I read all that shyt hoping he will provide data that will say the Palestine population in Gaza didn't in fact grow tremendously but nah he didn't. Mentioned a data, with a source, and just goes saying: that's not true. Well that's one hell of a argument you got there

Of course you're dishonest too.

How to use statistics to lie and create an alternate reality where Israel hasn't engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing.









Urgent action is needed to stop the forced displacement and transfer of Palestinians within Gaza and prevent mass deportation to Egypt.

Genocide in Gaza Is Making Nakba Survivors Relive Their Own Ethnic Cleansing

Commentary: Don’t look away. Israel’s response is textbook ethnic cleansing.

Israel clearly committing three of five acts defined as genocide

UN experts say ceasefire needed as Palestinians at 'grave risk of genocide'

A Textbook Case of Genocide

Gaza: UN human rights experts call on international community to prevent genocide against the Palestinian people – OHCHR Press Release

Genocide in Gaza: A call to urgent global action: What is happening in Gaza fits the definition of genocide.

 

[Buddy]

They are so so done

Breaking Points mentioned this today and said it's some tiktok prank. These b*stards keep talking about how serious and precise they're being and the troops are out here killing their own, having fun, and tryna be "instafamous"

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

The IDF really posting on here. All of y'all can eat my dikk.

Someone laughed when I said this thread matters

We’re nectar to IDF wasps