Israel–Hamas War: 10/7/2023 - Present

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Breh it's amazing that you will try to validate these internet ass acronyms like ADOS and FBA but 'Palestinian' is put in quotes as if there's not a State, President, etc.
I do that for the same reason I type 'G-d' as no one can objectively define what it is when they use that term.

Pre- or Post-1967? Back when Rome named the region?? After WW1?? The 13th Century BCE??

This War has nothing to do with 'Palestinians'. It's about Muslims vs. Jews.​
 

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“The Herero revolted in early 1904, killing between 123 and 150 German settlers, as well as seven Boers and three women,[25]: 74  in what Nils Ole Oermann calls a "desperate surprise attack".[40]”


I deeply mourn these German settlers 😭

Those poor German settlers :damn:

Why doesn’t anyone think of the colonizers?! Pray for peace 😔
Time out...

Tomorrow, an orchestrated domestic terrorist attack by tribes of native americans begin to declare war on the U.S and state everyone who lives in the U. S are occupiers.

You were born here? fukk it, not the people who colonized it so I'm attacking any and everyone on sight.

I am VERY sympathetic to Native Americas when looking at their history.

I still would say it's an action I don't support because the people today shouldn't have to deal with violence related to the subjugation of Native Americans. At the time? Oh yea, I wish they would have killed every European explorer who stepped foot on the soil for the first time.

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Now, since this topic is at issue. I think we should all figure out what the rules of the intellectual fight is going to be.

Are we onformed, atleast, surface level as to what the "illegal settlement" was?

This whole situation has made me really research the history. Based on all of the rhetoric and loud debates, I was sure jews just came in and without any connection or actual pre-1948 presence in population just forces Palestinian control and government to cease to exist, move over and get the fukk out or be killed.

From what I understand, Palestine, the entire area was controlled by the imperial presence of the Ottoman Empire.

You know how long? 400 years.
During the 1800s, tens of thousands of jewish imigrants took root in those areas. They had no control and were just another population that was subject to the Ottoman imperial state.

After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire as a result of WW2, the British were essentially left to hold the bag.
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My opinion - The British probably saw this as an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. The covert scheme to get Jewish population the fukk out of Europe because of their own xenophobia and to wash their hands of an area they didn't want or didn't have the resources to maintain.
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Fast forward two decades of Palestine and modern day Israel being under British rule and they came up with the plan to establish a nation of Israel.
The original plan - proposed by the United Nations - was for the land to be partitioned into two states; a Jewish and Arab state. Unfortunately, the Arab delegates rejected it.

My point is, if the above is true, disregarding my opinion, shyt is not as black and white as illegal colonizers deserve to be killed on sight.

The topic of subjugation and apartheid of the Palestinian people by the Israeli government is definitely something that anti-Israel sentiment can be justifiably fueled by.

Again, at this point, there has been so much war, fighting and hostility that I can't support Hamas attacks as if this is all because of a one sided hostility.

If I'm Israeli and I'm 22 years old, there is no way I'm realistically thinking about a completely non physical response to Hamas or the history of wars against Israel. I should definitely have a moral compass and support the human treatment of Palestinians. But, these are both two populations that have intimate trauma and that makes the chicken or the egg conversation a bit multifaceted.

fukk...I didn't want to get in so deep with this issue but, I'm hear. I just have to ensure my opinion is not guided by disrespect and I'm not shouting at people to hear my point or be labeled as evil
 

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No.

With the history presented to us, is the occupation of Palestine and the treatment of its people just?
Absolutely NOT. The Palestinian people deserve human treatment and absolute consideration when it comes to Israel's options regarding defending itself.
The suffering of the Palestinian people through the suffocation of resources is absolutely unconscionable.

Israeli policy makers have a responsibility to acknowledge the anger and frustration of a suffering people as a reasonable hot bed for the acceptance of extremist leanings.
 

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genuine question, how would Palestinians give them up, if Hamas is as much of a threat as they are described, a civilian population of 50% children can just overthrow them with their bare hands and rocks?

is it oochie wally or one mic - if they can be overthrown by a civilian population, it would infer that the carpet bombings and indiscriminate force is by definition disproportionate, and a practice of collective punishment (because why would an org that can be overthrown by civilians need such firepower? a few rocks and fists should do it yeah?)

if US entered a war tomorrow that you didnt agree with, do you think the other side get to bomb your city unless you overthrow the army?

even if you humor and go along with every IDF talking point, the end result doesn't change - is killing civilians good or bad? is cutting off water and food and medical supplies good of bad?

i don't think the west understand show bad of a global precedent this sets - the west never had real moral high ground but there was at least a perception of it they can leverage for moral discourses in global policies - but if this flies, whats to stop other nations to do so with impunity?

Isreal was supposedly on the brink of a civil war before this convenient tragedy. If you think it's reasonable to expect Palastenians to wrangle up Hamas it's equally reasonable for them 'give up' Net and yahoo.

Bust a move.

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I support people fighting back to protect what belongs to them. That goes for anyone. I also dont support bombing or killing regular civilians.
Hamas deliberately kidnapped, raped, tortured, and murdered civilians then ran and hid behind more civilians.

That isn't fighting and won't do anything beneficial for the civilian population of Gaza.​
 

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Absolutely NOT. The Palestinian people deserve human treatment and absolute consideration when it comes to Israel's options regarding defending itself.
The suffering of the Palestinian people through the suffocation of resources is absolutely unconscionable.

Israeli policy makers have a responsibility to acknowledge the anger and frustration of a suffering people as a reasonable hot bed for the acceptance of extremist leanings.

It's unfortunate our media isn't teaching the history of the conflict.

I wouldn't know that these are two waring nations for 75 years and that the side that was hit on the 7th been winning in a landslide.
 
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No.

With the history presented to us, is the occupation of Palestine and the treatment of its people just?

its pretty crazy that the side that is saying "hey guys killing civilians is bad in general" are constantly asked to condemn hmas but they can call for continued arial assault and bombings without condemnation lol

the people pushing war rhetoric but would never actually fight themselves are honestly the worst

if humanity is collectively being tested (by whatever higher power or entity you believe in), we are failing miserably
 

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You starting to come off very racist in here. Why do you keep putting palestinians in quotes? You also have some verbiage in here that implies you think the average human life of a Palestinian is less than that of others. Just a page ago you basically shrugged off 2500 deaths of Palestinians compared to 4 deaths of isrealies. You not slick in here
He's been doing it for a while, that's why I think he's trolling. Certain people don't consider Palestine a state that's ever existed, let alone had a unified group of people to call themselves Palestinians.
 

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He's been doing it for a while, that's why I think he's trolling. Certain people don't consider Palestine a state that's ever existed, let alone had a unified group of people to call themselves Palestinians.
I'm gonna keep doing it until someone defines, objectively, what they mean by the term. I'll just use Gazans as a placeholder since that seems to be a point of contention even after I explain what I mean.​
 

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Time out...

Tomorrow, an orchestrated domestic terrorist attack by tribes of native americans begin to declare war on the U.S and state everyone who lives in the U. S are occupiers.

You were born here? fukk it, not the people who colonized it so I'm attacking any and everyone on sight.

I am VERY sympathetic to Native Americas when looking at their history.

I still would say it's an action I don't support because the people today shouldn't have to deal with violence related to the subjugation of Native Americans. At the time? Oh yea, I wish they would have killed every European explorer who stepped foot on the soil for the first time.

If we were actively dehumanizing and openly bombing the reservations for the last 70 years instead of doing underhand shyt in the shadows it wouldn't be a matter of wether I support it or not, it would be expected.
 
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