::Is This The End? Flash to the Summer:: The Official Miami Heat 2018 Off-Season Thread

[intruder]

This is a really interesting perspective. I just don't see which coaches win more than the winning Miami did in the Big3 era. Brad Stevens is a great coach, but he's in Boston, period....

I mean, we see coaches with more talent than this heat team choking it away every year in the playoffs. Everyteam Miami lost to in the playoffs since LeBron absence and even when LeBron was here, were all favorites to win and had better records than Miami. Except Dallas in 2011.

Look at Dwane Casey in Toronto, Terry Stots in Portland, D'Antoni lost the other night when they should be on their way to a 2-0 series lead. Doc Rivers underachieved with Lob City. I mean, there are MANY coaches who do worse with more talent than Spo. You think Miami is more talented than any of those teams? The few coaches that are heads and shoulders better than Spo are already locked in to their franchises. I just think Heat nation is spoiled rotten. We see other teams with their shiny new toys and don't appreciate what we've received so far. Just gotta ride the storm until we can lure Popovich from San Antonio or until Chris Quinn gets the promotion to head coach.

Heat fans are pretty much the only ones who don't respect Spoelstra.

Around the league Spoelstra is highly regarded as one of the brighte young coaches of the NBA. You ask the typical Heat stan and all you hear is yapping about his rotations because they are still sour over Beasley, Whiteside and Winslow's minutes. Bottom line is Spo has a system when it comes to monitoring minutes played by veteran players and players coming off injuries. He also likes to rest key players during 3rd and early 4th quarters so that he can bring them back in fresh so they can push hard in the 4th. That's just his way. He has his qualities and his faults.

But I say let them cry and bytch about it all they want.
I sometimes look forward to coming into season threads after a loss to laugh reading some of the anti-Spo yapping after a loss. As long as Riley's here Spoelstra ain't going nowhere unless he really fukks shyt up badly. Riley ain't getting rid of his protégé he hand-picked for the job over clones running their mouths.
This ain't no democracy, brehs.

 

[Biscayne]

Heat fans are pretty much the only ones who don't respect Spoelstra.

Around the league Spoelstra is highly regarded as one of the brighte young coaches of the NBA. You ask the typical Heat stan and all you hear is yapping about his rotations because they are still sour over Beasley, Whiteside and Winslow's minutes. Bottom line is Spo has a system when it comes to monitoring minutes played by veteran players and players coming off injuries. He also likes to rest key players during 3rd and early 4th quarters so that he can bring them back in fresh so they can push hard in the 4th. That's just his way. He has his qualities and his faults.

But I say let them cry and bytch about it all they want.
I sometimes laugh coming into season threads and reading some of the yapping after a loss. As long as Riley's here Spoelstra ain't going nowhere unless he really fukks shyt up badly. Riley ain't getting rid of his protégé he hand-picked for job over clones running their mouths.
This ain't no democracy, clones.

Ppl really think this Heat team was talented enough that another coach would've gotten Miami past Philly. I don't see it...

 

[Freddie.Cane]

Ppl really think this Heat team was talented enough that another coach would've gotten Miami past Philly. I don't see it...

Yeah they think brad Stevens can do it. That's the new dikk they riding but they won't tell you when Brad had a team full of role players( a team like this year's heat team) they got bounced out the first round like us

 

[intruder]

Ppl really think this Heat team was talented enough that another coach would've gotten Miami past Philly. I don't see it...

Some of these are the same cats that were talking 50+ wins during preseason. I saw the team for what it was: a 45 win team if healthy. And by today's standards , the team was fairly healthy since we often see players missing half to full seasons so often (see Celtics). HAssan can pout all he wants but when you have players coming back from nagging injury the last thing you wanna do is play them heavy minutes right off the bat but thats not the only reason they sat him anyway.

And honestly we should have beaten Philly in 6 or 7 because we're deep like that. BUt we had several issues:

1. Whiteside looked like a deer in headlights while Embiid showed him they werent in the same class and Bam wasnt ready
2. Our wings (Winslow and James Johnson) couldnt stop Simmons. We could have done a better job at slowing him down but for some reason he was balling.
   
3. Their supporting cast was on fire
4. Our supporting cast, especially Ellington went cold and Wade isnt in shape to carry you for many games in a series

THen again the Sixers came in having won 15 games straight so you cant help it if you run into a hot team. It's like when Atlanta won 19 straight 2 years ago.

I'm looking to see what we do this summer in terms of moves but to be honest with you i wouldnt be surprised if we stand pat. No sense in tanking only to hand the picks over to Phoenix (Dragic trade). i think they are gonna either go big and get a superstar or nothing at all for the same reason. Chances are... nothing at all except a few moves to reduce payroll

 

[Captain Crunch]

Reading Realgm and someone suggested that Riley might trade for Demar and Blake.

Would y’all be mad if Riley traded Winslow; JJ, and KO for Blake? Then proceeded to trade Tyler; J Rich, and Bam for Demar? Maybe move Whiteside to the Wizards for Gortat; Meeks, Jason Smith, and Oubre.

Dragic
Demar/Waiters/Meeks
Mcgruder/Oubre
Blake/?
Gortat/?

Team would be weak in the front court and wouldn’t go further than the second round, but I wouldn’t past this organization to find a decent center in the D-League or FA.
This squad would be a fun 45-50 win team and I could definitely see Riley doing this.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Reading Realgm and someone suggested that Riley might trade for Demar and Blake.

Would y’all be mad if Riley traded Winslow; JJ, and KO for Blake? Then proceeded to trade Tyler; J Rich, and Bam for Demar? Maybe move Whiteside to the Wizards for Gortat; Meeks, Jason Smith, and Oubre.

Dragic
Demar/Waiters/Meeks
Mcgruder/Oubre
Blake/?
Gortat/?

Team would be weak in the front court and wouldn’t go further than the second round, but I wouldn’t past this organization to find a decent center in the D-League or FA.
This squad would be a fun 45-50 win team and I could definitely see Riley doing this.

No long term future with that team. Either get an mvp caliber player or tank to draft one. No point in building a team whose core can’t take you all the way.

 

[intruder]

Reading Realgm and someone suggested that Riley might trade for Demar and Blake.

Would y’all be mad if Riley traded Winslow; JJ, and KO for Blake? Then proceeded to trade Tyler; J Rich, and Bam for Demar? Maybe move Whiteside to the Wizards for Gortat; Meeks, Jason Smith, and Oubre.

Dragic
Demar/Waiters/Meeks
Mcgruder/Oubre
Blake/?
Gortat/?

Team would be weak in the front court and wouldn’t go further than the second round, but I wouldn’t past this organization to find a decent center in the D-League or FA.
This squad would be a fun 45-50 win team and I could definitely see Riley doing this.

I dont see the Pistons giving up Blake so soon after what they gave up for him. Remember they gave up 2 starters and 2 draft picks (1st and 2nd) to get him

I like Derozan but his contract is a bit hard to swallow right now if he's coming alone and wont get us over the hump. Unless they'll take both TJ and Waiters for him but highly doubt they do that

 

[CouldBeWorse]

Blake and DeMar are both ass and frauds in the post season. Wade is healthier than Blake

 

[Captain Crunch]

No long term future with that team. Either get an mvp caliber player or tank to draft one. No point in building a team whose core can’t take you all the way.

Breh I just said that team wouldn’t do shyt
But we all know Riley ain’t retiring nor tanking, so expect more “win now” moves, and the above proposal fits that description. Plus we know we’re not getting any legit star through trade or FA, so the Blake’s or Demar’s of the NBA are the best we can do. With that said, would you be mad if Riley did the moves above?

 

[intruder]

No long term future with that team. Either get an mvp caliber player or tank to draft one. No point in building a team whose core can’t take you all the way.

You do know you dont have a draft pick at all in 2018 and only a second rounder for 2020, right? For all those who wanna tanks, just look at the following projected drafts for Miami

NBA Future Drafts Detailed - RealGM

Future Draft picks for Miami

2018
first round draft pick to Phoenix
Miami's 2018 1st round pick to Phoenix [Miami-New Orleans-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]

second round draft pick to Houston
Miami's 2018 2nd round pick to Houston (via Memphis) [Charlotte-Memphis-Miami, 2/16/2016; Houston-Memphis, 6/22/2017]
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2019
second round draft pick to Minnesota
Miami's 2019 2nd round pick to Minnesota (via Charlotte) [Charlotte-Miami, 6/26/2014; Charlotte-Minnesota, 2/10/2015]
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2020
second round draft pick to Sacramento
Miami's 2020 2nd round pick to Sacramento (via Boston to Cleveland) [Boston-Miami, 7/27/2015; Boston-Cleveland, 8/22/2017; Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018]
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2021
first round draft pick to Phoenix
Miami's 2021 1st round pick to Phoenix [Miami-New Orleans-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]

second round draft pick to Portland
Miami's 2021 2nd round pick to Portland [Miami-Portland, 2/18/2016]
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2023
second round draft pick to Dallas
Miami's 2023 2nd round pick to Dallas [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017]
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2024
second round draft pick to Cleveland
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Miami's obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018]

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Breh I just said that team wouldn’t do shyt
But we all know Riley ain’t retiring nor tanking, so expect more “win now” moves, and the above proposal fits that description. Plus we know we’re not getting any legit star through trade or FA, so the Blake’s or Demar’s of the NBA are the best we can do. With that said, would you be mad if Riley did the moves above?

You do know you dont have a draft pick at all in 2018 and only a second rounder for 2020, right? For all those who wanna tanks, just look at the following projected drafts for Miami

NBA Future Drafts Detailed - RealGM

Yeah I’d be mad over those moves. Either fleece a team for a star somehow or trade basically everyone for draft picks. Being a shytter version of the joe Johnson era Hawks is the worst thing a team can be. Those type of teams always bottom out eventually anyway. No good reason to prolong it and stay mediocre any longer than you have to.

 

[Captain Crunch]

You do know you dont have a draft pick at all in 2018 and only a second rounder for 2020, right? For all those who wanna tanks, just look at the following projected drafts for Miami

NBA Future Drafts Detailed - RealGM

We got our 1st rounders in ‘19 and ‘20 but Riley don’t hear me

 

[intruder]

We got our 1st rounders in ‘19 and ‘20 but Riley don’t hear me

I say trade current players for picks since we seem to be doing a better job at it recently but we have noone anyone would give up a 1st rounder for right now. I know it's ShouldaCouldaWoulda but i'm still mad we didnt take all them pick Boston was offering for fukking Winslow.

Danny Ainge offered the Charlotte Hornets six draft picks, including as many as four first-round picks, for the right to select Winslow at No. 9...The Heat selected Winslow at No. 10

https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-re...ffered-hornets-six-picks-223512211.html?y20=1

How we let this fukking deal slip thrugh our hands is beyond me. But i know hindsight 20/20 yada yada

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I say trade current players for picks since we seem to be doing a better job at it recently but we have noone anyone would give up a 1st rounder for right now. I know it's ShouldaCouldaWoulda but i'm still mad we didnt take all them pick Boston was offering for fukking Winslow.


https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-re...ffered-hornets-six-picks-223512211.html?y20=1

How we let this fukking deal slip thrugh our hands is beyond me. But i know hindsight 20/20 yada yada

Pat hasn’t gotten the draft right in 15 years . You always take the mountain of picks if the player you want isn’t LeBron or Shaq or Michael type obvious. Our best draft pick since 2004 has been Mario Chalmers

 

[iamduval]

Ppl really think this Heat team was talented enough that another coach would've gotten Miami past Philly. I don't see it...

He hand picked this roster with pat