Is there a book that destroys White Supremacy more thoroughly than this???

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Swagnificent said:
Maybe you crakkkas.....

The comeback for people who have no argument.

Typical.​

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Read this book then come and talk to me.

Read this refutation of EVERY SINGLE CLAIM IN THAT BOOK......

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/204626

In 1976, Ivan Van Sertima proposed that New World civilizations were strongly influenced by diffusion from Africa. The first and most important contact, he argued, was between Nubians and Olmecs in 700 B.C., and it was followed by other contacts from Mali in A.D. 1300. This theory has spread widely in the African‐American community, both lay and scholarly, but it has never been evaluated at length by Mesoamericanists. This article shows the proposal to be devoid of any foundation. First, no genuine African artifact has ever been found in a controlled archaeological excavation in the New World. The presence of Africanorigin plants such as the bottle gourd (Lagenaria siceraria) or of African genes in New World cotton (Gossypium hirsutum) shows that there was contact between the Old World and the New, but this contact occurred too long ago to have involved any human agency and is irrelevant to Egyptian‐Olmec contact. The colossal Olmec heads, which resemble a stereotypical “Negroid,” were carved hundreds of years before the arrival of the presumed models. Additionally, Nubians, who come from a desert environment and have long, high noses, do not resemble their supposed “portraits.” Claims for the diffusion of pyramid building and mummification are also fallacious.

Now, STFU.

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The comeback for people who have no argument.

Typical.​



Read this refutation of EVERY SINGLE CLAIM IN THAT BOOK......

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/204626

No YOU shut up.

The colossal Olmec heads, which resemble a stereotypical “Negroid,
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No YOU shut up.


The first Olmec heads were discovered in the nineteenth century, and they were lumped in with Mayan art at first because the Victorians thought the Maya were indescribably ancient. Augustus Le Plongeon, font of so much fringe theorizing (he inspired James Churchward to invent the sunken continent of Mu), introduced the concept of “ancient relations that existed between [the Maya] and the inhabitants of the west coast of Africa” (letter, reproduced in Stephen Salisbury’s The Maya). In 1877, he sent to the International Congress of Americanists a letter outlining his claims, and it was published in the Boston Daily Advertiser in September of that year. In the letter, Le Plongeon asserted that the post-classic Mayan city of Chichen Itza was the center of a global trade network extending to Africa and Asia, adding that Easter Island must have been influenced by Tiahuanaco.
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Le Plongeon also did Graham Hancock one better by pronouncing Central American images of bearded men to be Assyrian. Hancock merely declared them “white.”

Stephen Salisbury popularized Le Plongeon’s views in his The Maya (1877), and it is from a summary of this book in John T. Short’s The North Americans of Antiquity (1880) that Ignatius Donnelly adopted the ideas an applied them specifically to the Olmec heads in Atlantis: The Antediluvian World (1882), which is the wellspring of most modern fringe ideas. Donnelly asserted that the Olmec heads were “negroid,” but, being a man of his age, he had no time for the idea that Africans could be anything but inferior, he came to what he saw as the only logical conclusion:

The features are unmistakably negroid. As the negroes have never been a sea-going race, the presence of these faces among the antiquities of Central America proves one of two things, either the existence of a land connection between America and Africa via Atlantis, as revealed by the deep-sea soundings of the Challenger, or commercial relations between America and Africa through the ships of the Atlanteans or some other civilized race, whereby the negroes were brought to America as slaves at a very remote epoch.

Donnelly did not explain why Mexicans would make statues of slaves or wandering serfs.

The only evidence there ever was for this “theory” was the observer’s own ignorance of what actual descendants of the Olmec and the Maya continue to look like today (hint: just like the Olmec and the Maya of the past) and their own assumptions about some imaginary essentialist view of what “negroid” features were supposed to be.

Today only the most credulous fringe theorists like David Childress maintain that Maya art depicts Africans, so obvious is the similarity of the Maya still living to those depicted in ancient art. Yet the Olmec connection to Africa continues across a much broader array of fringe writing. This is the legacy of Leo Wiener, a Russian-born Harvard scholar of Slavic studies who in the 1920s wasn’t aware of the Olmec per se but claimed a widespread African influence in Mexico in a series of popular books, though he assigned it to the historical period, specifically the High Middle Ages. His three-volume Africa and the Discovery of America (1920-1922), for all its scholarly problems, became the intellectual foundation for Afrocentrism because it was written by Harvard professor, albeit one whose expertise in Mesoamerican history derived entirely from his time living on a vegetarian commune in British Honduras.

Wiener famously argued that Columbus’s journals were forgeries, and he argued that Mayan and Aztec languages were filled with medieval African loan words from the Mandé tongue, no matter how much he had to stretch the definitions to make them fit. (For example, he argued that Herodotus’ word for loin cloth, ζειραί [zeirai] yielded via the Arabic ’izar the Mandé masirilli, a word for personal ornamentation, which then transformed back into the Nahuatl word for loincloth, maxtli—but only in the 1200s or 1300s CE, when the Mandinka arrived in Mexico!)

Ivan Van Sertima took inspiration from both Donnelly and Wiener and made the Olmec heads a cornerstone of his Afrocentric view of history. It is from Wiener that Van Sertima derived many of his claims for Africans in America, and he reversed Ignatius Donnelly’s racist views by asserting that the Africans had been the dominant race. Van Sertima extended Wiener’s argument by pressing the Nubians and the Egyptians into service to extend “African” domination of Mexico from prehistory to the coming of the Spanish—even though this compromised the Olmec head claim since the Egyptians and Nubians lack the allegedly “negroid” features seen on the heads!

So, Van Sertima is just regurgitating nonsense he stole from 'White' people who were racists, tried to flip the script, and ended up looking like an absolute moron since the Olmecs don't look like Egyptians or Nubians.......:laff::laff::laff:
 

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If I'm an imbecile, yet shattered your entire argument this easily, then that makes you even less intelligent than an imbecile.

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No you haven't shattered anything.

Your main purpose here is to shyt on this thread so that Black people do not get educated on history. You cacs must be mentally sick. You always expose yourselves.
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Now, don't bother replying because i've blocked your cac ass. Go troll somewhere else.

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The colossal Olmec heads, which resemble a stereotypical “Negroid,” were carved hundreds of years before the arrival of the presumed models. Additionally, Nubians, who come from a desert environment and have long, high noses, do not resemble their supposed “portraits.”

Wow. You gotta love crakkas. Their arguments get more nonsensible by the day.

Now the argument is the Olmecs couldn't be of African descent because they are TOO BLACK? :what:

First of all crakkka, the Ancient Nubians did not have "long high noses". The Africans who occupy modern day North Sudan are not the same as the Ancient Nubians. They are a mixed population of black and non-black origins. Remember Egypt was invaded many times over and those invaders mixed with the local populations.

Based on language and phenotype, the closest modern analog for the Ancient Nubian population is the Dinka tribe of South Sudan. Both groups spoke a Nilo-Saharan language and both resemble one another physically based on how the Ancient Egyptians drew the Ancient Nubians who had broad noses. And I doubt anyone would say the Dinka of South Sudan they have long high noses. Most have the very typical broad nose found in most Africans. This same "negroid" population that made up Ancient Nubia was also the source population for the Ancient Egyptians.

As the Ancient Egyptian empire expanded and consumed non-African ethnic groups in the Levant, the population in Ancient Egypt became more mixed and began to resemble modern day North Sudan.

So once again white boy your arguments are wrong.
 
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So, Van Sertima is just regurgitating nonsense he stole from 'White' people who were racists, tried to flip the script, and ended up looking like an absolute moron since the Olmecs don't look like Egyptians or Nubians.......:laff::laff::laff:

It doesn't matter that the initial discovery was made by racist whites. That is a red herring. What matter is the truth not who made the discovery or suggested the idea.

With regard to whether or not the Olmecs resembled the Egyptians or Nubians, once again another red herring. Maybe they were Nubians maybe they weren't. The main issue here is whether or not the Olmecs were a black people. And given the fact the faces are unmistakable "negroid" as you suggest, I would say you have basically proven our point.
 

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Swagnificent said:
It doesn't matter that the initial discovery was made by racist whites.

There was no 'discovery'. Your point has been disproven by actual archaeology, history, and genetics and pretty much every science known to man.

There was NO African or 'Black' presence in the Americas before the 15th Century CE.

If you wish to argue the point, I'll make a Ban Bet: You take a permanent vacation if I prove you wrong. First, you have to define 'Black' and it can't be 'Well, they look Black to me.', since that is neither objective nor accurate. Rachel Dolezal disproves that.

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I will not argue the point further in this thread. I'll make another one and you bring your 'evidence' there.​
 
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